What will you do IF Gore WINS?

[chess9]

Capn:

Ok, peace.

Anyway, I understood your quibble, but you avoided the point.

There is no meaningful distinction between a ballot and the requests. If the requests are illegal, the ballot is tossed-which is what she did to the Dems ballots. In light of your admission it is an illegal practice, why aren't you condemning it instead of quibbling over terminology that doesn't matter? The Republicans were trying to legitimize their votes AFTER the fact. Yet you think votes shouldn't be counted in PBC and other counties because they are only dimpled or hanging?

Again, consistency thou art a jewel.

Everything is colored by prejudice.

 

[Isla]

<< Moonie and Isla Why do enviromentalists think that their viewpoint is the only valid one, and that the rest of us are just lost or confused somehow? That seems rather egomaniacal and close-minded. >>



I dunno, Bober.

How come everytime a nice, moderate girl like me brings up my opinion that the environment is sort of on the important side, people jump down my throat?

Slap me silly if I get egomaniacal or close minded.

 

[chess9]

Isla:

Now that Bober glows, he thinks the environment is irrelevant.

 

[JoeBaD]

Zucchini &amp; chess9, you two are so full $hit it smells on this thread.

The story is: &quot;Applicants were supposed to list their voter identification numbers on the ballot request forms, but many did not and the Republican Party workers filled them in at the election supervisor's office, Jacobs' lawsuit alleged&quot;

These were ballot request forms, not ballots. These Republicans were only correcting a clerical error. They were not interpreting (or divining) votes as the Democrat vote recounters were.

Why should these votes be tossed? No one altered these votes.

Where are you GD Democrats' stance on counting each vote when these votes truly reflect the wishes of those who cast them.

Hypocrites!! Every vote is important as long as its for your candidate, right!

You sicken me.

 

[chess9]

Dearest JoeBagofcholesterolonthebrain:

If the ballot request is not proper, the ballot cannot be proper.

The practice of adding the numbers after the fact is illegal, and under Florida law if one absentee ballot is illegal and can't be identified, then all the absentee ballots for that county are illegal. That's why the Court has been requested to throw out all 15,000 ballots. Per an attorney friend of mine, this is well established law for Florida elections. The N.Y. times article mentions the 1998 ruling. Read it and weep.

Are you suggesting that because Republicans can't fill out ballot request forms, their ballots should still be counted? Are you suggesting the process is cumbersome perhaps? Maybe outdated? Doh! And the old people in PBC are idiots, right?

So WHO is the hypocrite?

Time to cut back on the donuts lipidhead.

Edit: By the way, you have NO constitutional right to vote by absentee ballot. The rules for absentee ballots are entirely different. Each vote IS identified. So your comparison to normal voting is well off the mark anyway.

 

[BoberFett]

<< Now that Bober glows, he thinks the environment is irrelevant. >>



You've got it all wrong, I'm doing my part to save the environment. You can save a lot of electricity if you don't need light bulbs.



We now return you to your regulary scheduled Off Topic conversation

 

[JoeBaD]

Yo chess9,

What idiot said this: &quot;Ignoring votes means ignoring democracy itself. And if we ignore the votes of thousands in Florida in this election, how can you or any American have confidence that your vote will not be ignored in a future election?

That is all we have asked since Election Day: a complete count of all the votes cast in Florida.&quot;

Let me tell ya, your bud, Gore.

How do you reconcile what he said with disallowing those absentee ballots.

Hypocrite!!

 

[her209]

Whoever gets elected will get assassinated.

If you look at history, every 20 years a president in office is assassinated.
Reagan got lucky! Beware the indian curse.

My 2 cents.

 

[chess9]

JoeBad:

If those absentee ballots are legal ballots they should be counted. Ditto for PBC, Broward, etc. If any ballot is illegal, or strains credulity, e.g. the slightly marked ballots being counted in some counties, then they shouldn't be counted.

I agree with Gore, but he is warm spit anyway. Bush is cold spit.

Pick your spit.

Anyway, get your facts right, and quit confusing apples and donuts.

Bwuahahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[JellyBaby]

To the original post: if Bore wins, life goes on. I hate to quote Paul McCarthy but &quot;there's good and bad in everthing.&quot;. Bore might bring a few good things to the table but he'll likely do the nation harm. Same with Shrub. However, if Gore wins, I sincerely believe he will have stolen this election. Rules are not made to be broken during elections. How can the fundamental belief our republic is still true to its democratic core when lawyers and spin determine election outcomes?

 

[Isla]

<< If Gore does win, I'll throw a party. >>



If Gore wins, I'm going to Harvey's party.

Woooo Hoooo!

If Bush wins, where is the party at, guys?

 

[Zucchini]

Not to mention that most election fraud occurs in absentee form. So only legal ballots should be accepted.

 

[fdiskboy]

I find it humorous that the Democrats are making a stink about these absentee ballot request forms because they were improperly filled out. Hence, they were not technically correct. Thus, the ballots associated with those requests should be thrown out.

However, in Palm Beach County, where voters DID NOT follow directions either in punching out chads or voting twice for the same position, Democrats are up in arms because these ballots are being thrown out on a technicality.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You either count all votes whether or not the rules were followed OR you count only those votes that are technically correct. To decry one and applaud the other or vice-versa is the apex of stupidity.

Do you REALLY want all votes to count, or do you just want your candidate to win?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Well, had the Vice President won in the recounts I would have been suspicious but at the same time he had the right to call for those recounts and I would feel that my suspicion was unwarranted. I would have been happy that the thing was finally over and the media could find a new cricis. However, if a lawsuit overtuns the certified election results, which a court already helped the Democrats by extending a deadline and effectively re-writing the Florida Law, I would have to look into moving to England. Or maybe I'd just stop caring. This is the first election I was able to vote in and I can now understand the apathy that prevails in our country.

Aaron Meyer

 

[Zucchini]

more then technically incorrect. Someone took the trouble to commit fraud.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bober, your point is a very interesting one, probably too unrelated to the topic to fairly spend much time. Just to point to where I would go with it: If, as I've suggested, we have hidden feelings of worthlessness that are total lies, any criticism, encluding of our opinions, throws us into a potential surfacing of awareness of those feelings. The instant reaction to that is to bring up the heavy-armored defenses, to attack and put down the source. So we have too posibilities plus a combo of both. You, feeling already lost, hear it (projection)in what others say. I, feeling lost, want you to feel it too. Some of both.

There is also the real question, &quot;Are we destroying our world.&quot; Like every other important question, how we answer, I would suggest, depends very much on our capacity to face the truth of how we feel. To feel oneself to be the worst in the world and not to know it is a lie, and then on top of that to have to face the fact that we are destroying the world, is, I think, alot to expect. I don't know how to make any of this easy.

When I look at the Democratic vs Republican stance on the environment, from the point of view of rhetoric at least, and from the point of view of what I've just described, I think the Democrats suffer less denial and are potentially more proactive. I guess, when you see the world dying before your very eyes, you can get a little ill tempered, and, maybe I should be.

 

[fdiskboy]

Actually, Zuch, the legal threshold for fraud does NOT include correcting clerical errors.

Good try though.

 

[chess9]

Fdiskboy:

Since you aren't a Florida lawyer or judge, how do you know what constitutes fraud?

Furthermore, the &quot;clerical errors&quot; were made by the voter and &quot;corrected&quot; by a Republican Party official. This isn't a simple question of someone fixing their own errors. When you start fixing someone else's errors for your political gain, that's fraud in my book. If your view were correct I could take a pencil and punch every ballot in PBC that had a hanging chad or mark for Gore and not be guilty of voting fraud.

We'll have to see what the court decides and whether the woman is eventually prosecuted.

 

[ToBeMe]

OK, I've changed my mind......What will I do if Gore wins? I would feel sorry for him! At this point Bush has a good shot of possibly bringing the country back together....on the other hand, Gore has little or none. He is losing support at blazing speed, even Unions members in a lot of states are calling for him to concede. Gephardt of MO is apparently getting a LOT of heat and he's one of Gore's &quot;front men&quot;. Newspapers and TV media alike are abandoning him........my God, I'm serious, if he were to somehow get in office, I'd feel sorry for the man, it would be 4 years of hell....if he could last all four.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< What will you do IF Gore WINS? >>

I'll move to Boliva with all the Nazis :Q

 

[Michael]

fdiskboy - chess9 is right in asserting that this is a serious matter that deserves to be investigated. He is wrong in saying that it was the voter's clerical error. Both parties sent out preprinted absentee ballot request forms that basically required only a signature on them. In a strict reading of the law, all of the ballots generated from the requests should be tossed out. There was some sort of clerical or programming error and the requests sent out to registered Republicans did not contain the voter registration number.

From my understanding, county election offices do try and contact the voters if there is an error. There really does not appear to be a provision that allows a party official to correct the forms once they are submitted.

Michael

 

[cxim]

Michael,

I caught a local TV interview show today. They had 3 county election supervisors on. 2 dems &amp; a repub. all of them said it was their poilcy to put the voter ID on the ballot request in the elections office if the voter forgot to do it. These were counties in the Tampa Bay area.

There was not a full poll of all counties, but it does give a good idea of how widespread the practice is. 3 out of 3.

It kind of makes it look like that lawsuit will go nowhere.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< Newspapers and TV media alike are abandoning him >>

ToBeMe,

Yeah leave it to the media to attempt to change reality again. We're now seeing polls questioning people if they feel Gore should concede. In every one I've seen the majority said &quot;YES&quot;. But feel sorry for Gore? You must be jesting. Never could I experience that emotion with that born-and-bred politician.

 

[chess9]

Michael:

It is the clerical error of the voters. Both Dems and Re-poop-lickums.

The Republican ballot request forms apparently had the numbers misprinted. The voters relied upon the Republican Party's prepared ballot. The Dems ballot, from the news reports, had the correct numbers, but some voters still failed to fill them in.

Since Republicans are heavy into the personal responsibility gig, I think each Republican voter should take the responsiblity for accepting and filling out the erroneous ballot request forms. (After all, you guys were complaining about PBC voters relying upon the advertised ballot instead of the actual ballot.)

Regardless of who is at fault, the uncontradicted evidence is that Goard allowed the Republicans and not the Dems to correct the forms and thus preserve the integrity of the ballots. Goard didn't correct them herself. She let a Republican &quot;operative&quot; do it. Either approach is clearly illegal.

CXIM:

People are out driving drunk as we speak, does that make it right? Your argument is entirely specious. All it proves is that the Elections Supervisors may all be as stupid as Theresa LePore and Goard. Apparently, few of them have learned to do their jobs properly.

I haven't a clue what will happen to the case, but a Democratic Party lawyer just told my lawyer that the Dems do not want to join the case because of fear they will lose the public opinion war even if they win the law suit.

 

[cxim]

yes it is illegal... the practice is still wide spread in most of our counties. If the voters were non existant or dead it would be a major problem... This was done without problem &amp; not illegal up until about 2 yrs ago.

That is where trying to get the resulting ballots discarded is going to be tough.

Again poor judgment on her part.