What will Intel release after the Pentium 3258 (Overclocking dual core)?

[cbn]

Just ordered this cheap combo from Newegg for $107 shipped to my house.

I just did too.

(Thanks for the link!!)

 

[notty22]

I did to, damn you!

 

[cbn]

I did to, damn you!

Yeah, that was a good find! (The MSI Z97 Mobo in that link is actually better than the MSI Z97 from the Micro Center deal)

 

[VirtualLarry]

darn it, sold out!

Edit: Hmm, some other good combos on there. Snagged a Gigabyte B85 board with HDMI / DVI / VGA, and 4 RAM slots, for $85 FS, and there is a $10 rebate besides, making the mobo free.

Crossing my fingers that Gigabyte will follow ASrock and Asus, and allow for overclocking the G3258.

Edit: Newest BIOS is BETA, changelog is thus:

Beta BIOS
Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance

Could that mean that they added support for overclocking "K" series CPUs (including the G3258)?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128672

 

[cbn]

Looks like Newegg has three really good Pentium 3258/motherboard combos left:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1730239

MSI B85-G43 GAMING

$89.99 with free shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1730237

GIGABYTE GA-H81M-DS2V

$71.68 with free shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1730232

GIGABYTE GA-B85M-DS3H

$74.98 (After $10 rebate) with free shipping.

NOTES:

1. Both Gigabyte Boards mention "Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance" in the BIOS notes. (Not sure what this means at this time)

2. I could not find mention of Non-Z overclock for the MSI B85 Gaming board, but judging by the looks of it I wouldn't be surprised at all if it had it.

 

[richierich1212]

Yeah after I ordered that initial combo I saw Newegg was selling the other ones too. I picked up the MSI B85 + Gigabyte B85 combos but was busy with my kids so I didn't get to post those. Now I have 3x 3258 combos incoming, haha. I'll keep the best one and give one of them to my little brother.

 

[jihe]

Just to add that Pentium 3258 is an anniversary product, i dont expect Intel to continue with Dual Core Unlocked SKUs in the future.

When is Celeron anniversary?

 

[cbn]

When is Celeron anniversary?

2018.

 

[cbn]

darn it, sold out!

Edit: Hmm, some other good combos on there. Snagged a Gigabyte B85 board with HDMI / DVI / VGA, and 4 RAM slots, for $85 FS, and there is a $10 rebate besides, making the mobo free.

Crossing my fingers that Gigabyte will follow ASrock and Asus, and allow for overclocking the G3258.

Edit: Newest BIOS is BETA, changelog is thus:

Beta BIOS
Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance

Could that mean that they added support for overclocking "K" series CPUs (including the G3258)?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128672

Well, I did notice the board you bought and (and the Gigabyte H81) do have 8 pin ATX 12V CPU power connectors.

I've been under the impression that is something that normally only appears on overclocking boards.

So hopefully your board does have non-z oc.

 

[cbn]

I made a thread over in the motherboard forum for the Pentium 3258 Non-Z overclockers:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389948

If you have a board confirmed to Non-Z overclock please update that thread.

(Hopefully in another few months we will have a good database of boards.)

 

[cbn]

For future unlocked dual cores it would be nice if Intel included the cooler from the 84/88 watt cpu line:

I imagine it wouldn't cost them that much (if anything) to do it and would probably eliminate the need for an aftermarket cooler in > 99% of overclocking scenarios.

 

[cbn]

Some more suggestions for future Intel unlocked dual cores:

1. Increase cache to 4MB (from 3MB) on future unlocked Pentium dual cores
2. Increase cache to 3MB (from 2MB) on future unlocked Celeron dual cores
3. Add AVX instruction set
4. Replace TIM under heat spreader with solder

 

[SPBHM]

just enable HT (hey, Pentium had HT back in 2002), I wouldn't mind an unlocked "Pentium" with HT but still no AVX (or even the IGP)

 

[VirtualLarry]

just enable HT (hey, Pentium had HT back in 2002), I wouldn't mind an unlocked "Pentium" with HT but still no AVX (or even the IGP)

I hear ya. Unlocked Pentium, with HT, minus AVX and IGP. Sounds like a nice CPU!

 

[Idontcare]

Dont want to go off topic but...Intel Only did this to quell the rage of the very small group this applies to.

Quell the rage? Was that some kind of joke?

 

[cbn]

I don't think this will happen even if Intel decides to race to the bottom with a fully unlocked Celeron.

AMD is holding back plenty.

Like I mentioned earlier, the AMD Dual Core Desktop APUs are a great example of this:

1. Reduced Cache on the AMD APU dual core (The quad cores get the full 4MB enabled, so the dual core should at least have 2MB.....but instead AMD chooses to only enable 1MB)

2. Too many CUs disabled in the AMD APU dual core iGPU. (I don't think this is a result of low yields either because it only happens selectively in the dual core models and not the quad core SKUs)

3. Low clocks on the iGPU. (If two cpu cores are disabled then certainly there is more room to boost iGPU clocks for any given TDP).

4. A 65 watt stock cooler on the AMD K code dual core APU instead of the 100 watt cooler from the quad core desktop line-up. (This, in contrast, to the 53 watt Pentium 3258 which comes with a 95 watt stock cooler.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Quell the rage? Was that some kind of joke?

Oh noes! Intel stole our overclocking away!

(and is giving it back in dribs and drabs, when it suits them / is profitable)

 

[DrMrLordX]

Just my $.02, but unless the iGPU is really hurting the overclockability of their chips, I kind of like seeing them on low-end Intel CPUs. It's great not having to throw in a dGPU to get a system up-and-running, especially if it isn't a gaming box.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just my $.02, but unless the iGPU is really hurting the overclockability of their chips, I kind of like seeing them on low-end Intel CPUs. It's great not having to throw in a dGPU to get a system up-and-running, especially if it isn't a gaming box.

"Free" 1080P-capable GPU built-in? No extra installation or power connectors required?

Yes, please!

 

[SPBHM]

Just my $.02, but unless the iGPU is really hurting the overclockability of their chips, I kind of like seeing them on low-end Intel CPUs. It's great not having to throw in a dGPU to get a system up-and-running, especially if it isn't a gaming box.

it's not hurting OC, but it's wasted die space when it's disabled,
I don't mind having the "free" IGP, it's good for testing, or if I want something other than gaming for the PC or just as a backup option or whatever... but Intel needs to disable stuff for their segmentation, so I would trade the IGP, AVX, ECC memory, VT-x, VT-d, AES acceleration and a lot more for HT, on this dual core unlocked multiplier CPU, because at 4.5GHz with HT it would be a pretty good gaming CPU with discrete graphics, while the rest I don't think it's going to make a difference.

 

[DrMrLordX]

"Free" 1080P-capable GPU built-in? No extra installation or power connectors required?

Yes, please!

it's not hurting OC, but it's wasted die space when it's disabled,
I don't mind having the "free" IGP, it's good for testing, or if I want something other than gaming for the PC or just as a backup option or whatever... but Intel needs to disable stuff for their segmentation, so I would trade the IGP, AVX, ECC memory, VT-x, VT-d, AES acceleration and a lot more for HT, on this dual core unlocked multiplier CPU, because at 4.5GHz with HT it would be a pretty good gaming CPU with discrete graphics, while the rest I don't think it's going to make a difference.

These two responses show the different needs and wants of potential end-users. For my part, I haven't bought a dGPU in years. I think the last one I paid for was a GeForce 6800 NU. The GeForce 8800 GTX Ultra I have is a freebie I got because it wouldn't work in the donor's system (it worked in mine, but it's getting flaky now). Intel iGPUs aren't great, and their drivers have been . . . well let's just say the drivers could be better and leave it at that. Regardless of those limitations, for me, an iGPU is just what the doctor ordered, and I would use it instead of going out and getting a dGPU for a significant portion of the system's existence. I also found the GeForce 6150 on my old Abit nf-m2 nView to be handy, if slow.

In the end, Intel wants to sell an HT-disabled dual core chip in an unlocked form at the ~$70 price point, and so they are doing just that. If they had a future unlocked dual core SKU without the iGPU, I see no reason why they would use the remaining "die space" for something else. They'd just sell you a chip with a smaller die, possibly at a lower price. Sure, I'd like to see HT in there too, especially at the same price point. That'd be a scary chip! Intel probably knows this, and will not release one to protect their i5 desktop lineup.

(on a side note, the G3258 is already missing VT-d and AES I believe)

 

[cbn]

darn it, sold out!

Edit: Hmm, some other good combos on there. Snagged a Gigabyte B85 board with HDMI / DVI / VGA, and 4 RAM slots, for $85 FS, and there is a $10 rebate besides, making the mobo free.

Crossing my fingers that Gigabyte will follow ASrock and Asus, and allow for overclocking the G3258.

Edit: Newest BIOS is BETA, changelog is thus:

Beta BIOS
Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance

Could that mean that they added support for overclocking "K" series CPUs (including the G3258)?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128672

That Gigabyte B85 can non-Z overclock:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36513550&postcount=14

 

[cbn]

With respect to the feature and/or cost reduced Z81/Z80 I proposed earlier in thread, maybe Intel can stipulate a limitation on the power delivery of boards using the chipset?

Maybe four phase VRM limit? So as to not compete with the Z97 boards for overclocking quad cores?

(As much as I detest this type of artifical product segmentation I feel that something needs to be done officially by Intel in order to promote low cost dual core overclocking)