What will Intel release after the Pentium 3258 (Overclocking dual core)?

[cbn]

Here is the other Asrock Anniversary board:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97 Anniversary/

Compared to its parent board (the Asrock Z97 Pro3):

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97 Pro3/

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Looks like the Anniversary Edition is missing the DVI and VGA as well as three audio outputs compared to the Asrock Z97 Pro3. Pretty nice board by the looks of it though.....but I fear it will probably be too expensive since it only loses a few features compared to the $99.99 Z97 Pro3.

With that mentioned, I have to imagine this ATX sized Z97 Anniversary would make a better platform (compared to the Micro ATX sized Z97M Anniversary in post #20) for a person that eventually wants to upgrade from Pentium 3258 to a 22nm or 14nm K quad core (due to the better power delivery.)

Z97 Anniversary= 4 phase VRM with heatsink
Z97M Anniversary= 3 phase VRM without heatsink

 

[SPBHM]

the z97m anniversary is $95 at newegg lol

that's the typical cheap Z motherboard price since z68-z77-z87 and with less features!? nothing new.

I guess the only way to have something realistically cheaper for OC is to unlock OC on your typical H81-b85 board...

like we thought happened 1 year ago
http://www.techpowerup.com/186706/b...u-oc-on-ecs-h87-b85-and-h81-motherboards.html

 

[richierich1212]

The only way to try and overclock on anything less than z97 means having to update BIOS on older chipsets. I don't have an older CPU laying around in order to do so.

 

[SPBHM]

The only way to try and overclock on anything less than z97 means having to update BIOS on older chipsets. I don't have an older CPU laying around in order to do so.

maybe I'm wrong, but I would expect the g3258 to work well enough to boot and update the bios on any 1150 board?!

 

[richierich1212]

maybe I'm wrong, but I would expect the g3258 to work well enough to boot and update the bios on any 1150 board?!

I hope that's the case but not until someone else tries. I don't want to be the guinea pig lol. But I am really interested in the G3258 just for fun and would like to upgrade my little brother's computer to this if I can only find a decent, cheap mobo to pair it with. $100 is too much for a Z97. $60 or $70 is reasonable for a budget gaming system.

 

[cbn]

the z97m anniversary is $95 at newegg lol

I couldn't find the listing for the Z97M Anniversary at Newegg, but I did find the Z97 Anniversary:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157528

$94.99 plus $5.67 shipping.

Unfortunately the total price (product + shipping) is actually more expensive than the Asrock Z97 Pro 3 motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157508

$99.99 with free shipping

 

[cbn]

Pentium 3258 + MSI Z97 PC Mate combo for $100 ($90 after rebate) at Micro Center (in store pick-up only):

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36498206#post36498206

http://slickdeals.net/f/7034832-mic...mate-motherboard-89-99-tax-bm-mir?v=1&src=tdw

That, of course, is an awesome deal for those people that live near Micro Center.

......but there needs to be a realistic budget option for the rest of us (that don't live near MC).

 

[cbn]

Here is an article about Asus allowing o/cing on non-z boards by releasing an update to the bios. Not many details how this will be accomplished. Time will only tell.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-overclocking-h87-h97-b85,27076.html

Two cheap ASUS H81 boards on Newegg:

ASUS H81M-K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813132052

$52.99 with free shipping

ASUS H81M-D PLUS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813132083

$49.99 (after $10 rebate) with $2.99 shipping




According to the ASUS both boards do, in fact, support Pentium 3258:

http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/...1&s=45&m=H81M-K&os=&hashedid=J1D1WkOCtnPeMshg

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H81MD_PLUS/HelpDesk_CPU/

 

[SPBHM]

supporting the 3258 is no surprise, the only question is, does it support overclocking (setting the multiplier higher than 32x)?

 

[blackened23]

Yes.

Asus unlocked overclocking on all of their H81, B85, B87, and H87 motherboards. So yes, yes it does. It's a simple matter of motherboard vendors enabling it by supporting the CPU, the microcode in the 20th anniversary pentium allows it to be overclocked on all of the above chipsets. Intel imposed no such limitation with the 20th anniversary pentium because they know it's a budget CPU.

http://www.techpowerup.com/202196/a...-h97-h87-b85-and-h81-series-motherboards.html

 

[blackened23]

The only way to try and overclock on anything less than z97 means having to update BIOS on older chipsets. I don't have an older CPU laying around in order to do so.

I don't know what kind of boards you use but the board will still boot and allow you to update the BIOS. At least , in my experience it works fine even without an updated BIOS....(there could be exceptions, but none I have experienced). I used an ivy bridge on a non updated 6 series chipset board and it booted up just fine. The BIOS didn't report the proper CPU (BIOS reported a sandy bridge), but it booted and performed as it should have.

 

[richierich1212]

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on the ASRock H97M Pro4. Comes to $80.85 after taxes and shipping for me with coupon code "Celebrate4th". That way I don't have to worry about the BIOS. Maybe next year ASRock will update the BIOS to support Broadwell.

 

[cbn]

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on the ASRock H97M Pro4. Comes to $80.85 after taxes and shipping for me with coupon code "Celebrate4th". That way I don't have to worry about the BIOS. Maybe next year ASRock will update the BIOS to support Broadwell.

According to this document Non-Z overclocking is available in the BIOS:

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/705378/Asrock-H97m-Pro4.html?page=76

(Manual published April 2014):

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/705378/Asrock-H97m-Pro4.html?page=2#manual

I wonder if any of the Asrock H81s have this also? Or maybe they will release a new H81 with non-z overclock?

 

[richierich1212]

I wonder if any of the Asrock H81s have this also? Or maybe they will release a new H81 with non-z overclock?

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M-HDS/?cat=Download&os=BIOS

Found the answer in the latest BIOS dated 7/2/2014, "2. Update Non-Z OC table for i5-4690K, i7-4790K, and Pentium G3258"

I guess it's time to pull the trigger on the ASRock H81M-DHS from superbiiz, $54.92 shipped to me. Then I'll just pick up the G3258 from Frys for $71.99.

 

[cbn]

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M-HDS/?cat=Download&os=BIOS

Found the answer in the latest BIOS dated 7/2/2014, "2. Update Non-Z OC table for i5-4690K, i7-4790K, and Pentium G3258"

I guess it's time to pull the trigger on that board lol!

Thanks, you are the man!

That board is only $59.79 with free shipping on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157450

And its has 4 phase VRM (but no heatsink). This is ironically more phases than the Z97M Anniversary (which has only 3 phases and no heatsink).

 

[richierich1212]

If I can get someone to order the G3258 from Newegg with the iPhone App with google wallet the $15 off will come in handy for even more savings.

 

[schmuckley]

i3 4370K ..Yes!
Do eet!
Do eet naow!

 

[pcsavvy]

Microcenter is selling the 3258 for $59.99, in store pick up. I believe Fry's does price matching.

 

[richierich1212]

I'm really hoping I can hit at least 4.5GHz with that budget mobo + Corsair H50. Should be a fun little combo.

 

[SAAA]

Considering that most people don't overclock is it seriously bad for Intel to release an unlocked i3? I mean if it is for saving some money vs a locked i5 you wont save that much: sell it at 160$ and it's from 20 to 80$ max, then you still need an overclock to get similar performance. Yes epic single thread but thats already possible with the unlocked Pentium...
Plus considering many games start to use more than 4 threads it's seriously a problem to release such a chip in Q2-Q3 '15 when even more will come out (plus finally kill off the competition)?

 

[jpiniero]

Considering that most people don't overclock is it seriously bad for Intel to release an unlocked i3? I mean if it is for saving some money vs a locked i5 you wont save that much: sell it at 160$ and it's from 20 to 80$ max, then you still need an overclock to get similar performance. Yes epic single thread but thats already possible with the unlocked Pentium...
Plus considering many games start to use more than 4 threads it's seriously a problem to release such a chip in Q2-Q3 '15 when even more will come out (plus finally kill off the competition)?

That's kind of the point - it's meant to not be that good. An unlocked i3 would be considerably better. It is however a reasonable competitor to the 750K/760K and I think that was Intel's real intention.

 

[cbn]

448 vs 384 streams = a 16% boost (which is a bit like arguing over 21fps vs 18fps for BF4 @ 1080p for a $160 7770K APU) vs a $75 G3258 + $75 7790 / $85 7850 card which will net 40-65fps on same game at same "1080p medium" settings for the same price. Kaveri APU's still won't have the highest "bang-per-buck" for budget gamers even tweaking streams by 20%, (and even less for non-gamers) if you're willing to bargain hunt a decent low-mid range GFX card.

Well you are right. Increasing to 448 stream processors from 384 stream processors is not much of a boost.

......but on the Kaveri dual core Desktop APUs boosting to 384 (or even better yet 448 stream processors) would be a big jump in performance.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

I hope they release something that will be a nail on AMD's coffin. Once Intel gains the full monopoly, then it will be up to the government to break up Intel into spinoffs.

 

[cbn]

I hope they release something that will be a nail on AMD's coffin. Once Intel gains the full monopoly, then it will be up to the government to break up Intel into spinoffs.

I don't think this will happen even if Intel decides to race to the bottom with a fully unlocked Celeron.

AMD is holding back plenty.

Like I mentioned earlier, the AMD Dual Core Desktop APUs are a great example of this:

1. Reduced Cache on the AMD APU dual core (The quad cores get the full 4MB enabled, so the dual core should at least have 2MB.....but instead AMD chooses to only enable 1MB)

2. Too many CUs disabled in the AMD APU dual core iGPU. (I don't think this is a result of low yields either because it only happens selectively in the dual core models and not the quad core SKUs)

3. Low clocks on the iGPU. (If two cpu cores are disabled then certainly there is more room to boost iGPU clocks for any given TDP).

 

[richierich1212]

Just ordered this cheap combo from Newegg for $107 shipped to my house.