What will happen to humans when machines become conscious?

[DarK SagE]

amok: This is an AI were talkinga bout. We dont know how much smarter than us it is. It may be able, convince smoneone to let it loose or ficure out someway to bypass whatever security measures are put in.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bobber, The last time I did something like this all I got was an argument that it's not possible. I'm interested in how serious people think about this even though the fact that we don't anticipate anything tomorrow makes it hard to really take seriously. Sorry if I'm neffing up the board. I'll try to put something about artificial intelligence into my title in future to warn you away. "Give it a rest" Ouch!

 

[rc5]

This is like all sorts of religious talks. You won't know it till it's too late.

 

[AMDJunkie]

Well, we humans will get automatic weapons, shotguns, explosives, and bazookas and take on millions of machines a time and, despite the terrible odds, be successful and destroy all sentient machines, allowing us to look all studly as babes surround us and make us leaders of the world. Bring 'em on!

 

[Entity]

READ THIS!!!

Rob

 

[dennilfloss]

Kami,

&quot;<< I bet that those conscious machines will be horny and unstoppable >>




<< We fscking die. >>



these contradict.&quot;

No they don't. They'll simply 'love' us to death and we won't be able to stop it.

&quot;Please stop, Hal. You're killing me.&quot;

Can't Get Enough (Patty Loveless)

 

[Moonbeam]

Dennil, I thought kami meant: these contradict? rathar than these contradict. for the reason you mentioned.

I have read that, Entity. The kazinski stuff is facinating, part of why I think the subject needs broader, rational consideration. We are lucky that he wasn't a sub commander, or some such. I wonder how many people he discussed this with before deciding he knew best.

 

[JellyBaby]

Just tell me one thing: will these conscious machines be horny?

 

[BoberFett]

OK, sorry Moonbeam.

I'll stick to the topic, and try to be serious.

If machines become conscious, humans will immediately destroy them out of fear. Perhaps rightly so.

 

[Eli]

It will happen.. We want it to happen.. I personally thing it would be a grave mistake. We don't even understand our conciousness, to try and give it to a realitivly simple machine, COULD be disasterous. It could also be pretty neat.

Pretender: I kinda agree, but I also realize that all it would take is some major breakthrough in AI to bring it considerably closer.. Can't discount that..

The word computer means &quot;Thought&quot;, or something like that. Pretty scary.

Jelly- ROFL!

vi_edit- Excellent post. Makes perfect sense to me. I agree. But I still do think that sometime in the future, computerized robots could become very intelligent..

What if some enemy country created an army of machines that had only one purpose? You can guess which purpose that would be.. Man fighting machine, That owuld be a trip.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< What will happen to humans when machines become conscious? >>



It is not allowed.

The Spirit and soul is created in the realm of the Spirit, alone.

No Man can manipulate that code...at this Time.

DNA..the code to all physical bodies can be manipulated....but only God will place the Spirit and the Soul in that manipulated body.

edit...spelling.

 

[BoberFett]

Interesting you should bring that aspect up Palco. I've often wondered what a cloned human would be like. Would it be indistinguishable from a naturally created human? Or would it be missing a soul and display that omission obviously?

Such an experiment may provide some fuel to the debate on the existence of God.

 

[Pretender]

<< What will happen to humans when machines become conscious? >>

We'll have yet another group of beings that we'll have to take to dinner before we can use them.

 

[desy]

I think it is more likely that we as humans will become more like Cyborgs becoming more and more integrated with machinery.
Unfortunatley the tempataion for more and better will drive this.
I watched a show where they should be able to program nanite machines to go into you blood and search out cancer cells and destroy them.
Soon more and more integrating of machine and human will happen.
This is a much more plausible furture than a AI ruling us.

 

[Moonbeam]

My guess is that it (the clone) will have a soul. MrPALCO will see the hand of God, but it will have a soul. Theologians will doubtless argue that the machine soul, while not allowed, will be judged the work of God when it manifests. From a secular point of view, we are atoms like any machine. Consciousness manifests over the inert. It is probably a function of organization and complexity. Whether part # 4 billion one hundred and eighty two contains the equivalent orgainzation and complexity implies an equivalent potential for self consciousness one would assume.

 

[eia430]

Hmm, let's look at the facts here... there are people that are more intelligent than most, that have an easier time to learn, make sense of problems, find solutions, etc. Those people generaly have an edge over most. Imagine a machine that is sentient. If it's &quot;retarded&quot; at 1 cpu it can add another cpu (2 cpus) to be &quot;smart&quot; what keeps that sentient computer from adding 50 cpu's to become the most intelligent thing on the face of the planet? or 100, 1000 1,000,000,000 cpus? what then? What will something that &quot;smart&quot; think of all humans when we cannot even attempt to grasp concepts that is child's play to it? That point will be when we are surpassed by a silicone based life form that is the next evolutionary step that will make us &quot;obsolete&quot; Since &quot;advancing&quot; to that life form is a matter of adding more processing power it will advance at a rate that is impossible for carbon based life as we know it to match. I imagine that when a machine has become sentient and has gained the ability to add to itself or modify itself, then that is the point when we see another life form match what took us millions of years in a span of weeks. After that we get to see in months that same life form help us the best way it can before finding it's own life in it's own part of the universe. Notice I have no fear of being exterminated. The reason is this, if this life form matches and surppasses our own acheivements and we have the capacity to value life and fairness, then so will that life form, except it will also surpass us there. The best solution for it would be to aquire a different area for itself so we can continue with our evolution and it can continue with it's evolution.

 

[Zucchini]

Well thats assuming we don't start to explore enetic engineering to improve our own brains

 

[eia430]

Zuchinni, it still is not the same. We cannot just &quot;build&quot; a new one then transfer all the knowledge into that &quot;new one&quot;. Each time we build it the learning has to start from scratch, not just built on that a machine can. We are also still limited to our mechanics... a machine can simply switch to a faster method of inter connection, (light instead of copper wires) higher density, etc. All of this can be done then transfer current &quot;knowledge&quot; to it without having to start from scratch like us carbon based life forms do. Even when we learn genetic manipulation to the point that we can &quot;increase&quot; our brain power, it took us millions of years to do so. A sentient machine could simply just add more processors till it has adequate processing capability to acheive whatever it needs to acheive. Including developing new ways to improve itself. Thereby accelerating it's evolution at an exponential rate.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< I've often wondered what a cloned human would be like. >>



The physical DNA would be identical...only God can place the DNA of the Spirit and Soul.

Because of Law...if physical factors are manipulated by Man in accordance with Law...God is obligated by Law, to introduce the Spirit and the Soul into the Body.

This Spirit and Soul would not be a clone.

 

[eia430]

MrPalco, it's simply amazing how religeous &quot;truths&quot; and &quot;laws&quot; can be so maliable in the face of facts and reason. I remember back when we started learning about DNA that religeous groups said things like... &quot;only God can create life, only a man and a woman together can create a living being&quot; Now, according to you the soul is somehow magicly bound to DNA. What studies have you done? what is your data to come to this conclusion? or is this simply another set of worthless words that is ultimately meaningless? Religeon has always surpressed the advancement of knowledge, always deeming the unexplained as &quot;work of the Lord&quot; or &quot;work of the devil&quot; I am not athiest, I believe in God, but organized religeon appals me. From burning &quot;witches&quot; at the stake to slaughtering people in crusades and various purgings (killing other groups who simply belived differently)innocents throught history fall victim to &quot;religeon.&quot; Organized religeon is one of if not the greatest bastion of ignorance. For every 3 steps forward that man takes forward in the search for truth and knowledge, organized religeon manages to drag us back 2 steps. There are hard working people out there (we call them scientists) that put in long hours and much of their lives in search of facts. You making claims that the soul is bound to DNA and that God is bound by some law and if we follow this &quot;law&quot; we are somehow forcing God to do something, what a steaming pile. You spread ignorance with your wild claims. However much I like to support people that spread the word of the Lord, you just discust me. Do something that helps people instead of spouting this vodoo, mumbo jumbo, steaming pile that you are trying to shove down our throat.

 

[Bobsteroo]

Are they born with IRQ problems or are they a result of upbringing and
environmental influences?????


I am cursed with my Mom's bloated operating system..look at the cellulite in my Bios????


My Dad passed down his cache to me....dang only a 4.3 gig hard drive????

 

[Pretender]

I've always felt that improper programming and negative cultural influences have caused the large percentage of IRQ problems in our computers today, and it's only going to get worse.

 

[Zucchini]

You ppl are no fun hehe, i think ppl would create perfect mates if we could create bio machine conscious andriods or whatever. That would be great

 

[slipperyslope]

Batt and others that think AI is close to becoming true......

Take a fundamental concept computer science class(basically a math logic class dealing with computers). You will realize that there are more questions/problems that we can't answer with a computer than questions/problems we can solve. BUT humans can solve the same exact problems. Take a look at the halting problem. After doing a little research you will realize that all these people running their mouth about AI have no idea what it would take.

Don't get me wrong. I think AI is possible but it will take a completely different architecture than the one used today. We will have to have major breakthroughs in problems that have been around for 50 years with no progress.

I don't expect to see true AI in my lifetime.

SO I AM NOT WORRYING ABOUT IT.

Jim

 

[chess9]

Moonbeam:

What do you mean by &quot;when&quot;?

My computer is a fully conscious, living, thinking, feeling being. Why just this morning it said to me: &quot;Nice haircut, Daaaaaave.&quot;