• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

what will happen if california legalizes marijuana in 2010?

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
The Federal laws are in effect. Change them if they are wrong. Until then, to violate them is to take the chance that one can be caught and punished.

Also, the Feds may tie Federal funding to enforcement if CA passes such (which I doubt)

Just wondering that's all. It's interesting that a self styled conservative would be in favor of supporting the federal government's right to enter a state and arrest its citizens for something that the state itself considers legal, and for activity that in most cases is taking place completely within the state.

I'm not a huge states' rights person myself and so I'm relatively ambivalent about the whole thing, just noticed some dissonance there.
 
They'll be able to tax it like other vices and put a huge dent in the state's debt?

Non-violent cannabis users won't be thrown in jail with actual criminals, thus giving the crowded prison system a reprieve in both capacity and budget?
 
I was thinking that it really wouldn't impact the mexican gangs growing in the forests. Might even increase it, as they would just haul it across the border to illegal states. Only way we cripple the cartels is legalize it throughout the US.
 
1. I hope it passes so that there are less lazy pot-heads around here.
2. I hope it doesn't pass because it means that MORE of my tax money will probably end up going to helping stupid people.

Your second point is really invalid...your money currently goes to help these people because they get busted for possession, even for personal use, and are forced to pick between treatment centers or prison. Obviously, they choose treatment and then are "treated" at these rehab centers which are profiting like crazy from your tax dollars. If they choose prison, then your tax dollars go to their care just the same.

Make it legal, they don't get busted, people in treatment centers and prison for cannabis use goes down dramatically. Your tax dollars stay in your pocket.
 
Last edited:
Legalizing drugs of any kind means the thousands of people convicted for the crime will challenge their sentences so there goes the idea of unburdening the courts and prisons.

Legalizing will not be cheaper because knowing the government they will start a whole new agency to monitor and control it , a combination of the DEA and FDA. Don't forget the health related problems as well.

The only way to handle drugs, crime, alcohol problems is to solve it at the source. Target the reasons why people turn to those things in the first place. Treating the results will never work until you remove the cause. Target why people abuse drugs, is it because they have a crappy life and are looking for an escape ? If so then show them how to get out of that life. I would much rather see money go to showing people how to deal with life than spending it on keeping them locked up . Things like say no to drugs will never work because it provides no alternatives. It is like giving money to a starving man and telling him don't spend the money, but go get some food. He will fill the need regardless of what the law, morals, or anyone else says.
 
I hope they do, it has been a while since a state nullified federal law. Modern nullifying of federal law by a state opens a delightful can of worms.
 
What happens when users drive while under the influence? Just asking as I don't know 🙂

Driving under the influence of cannabis is a stupid idea. However, it is not nearly as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol. People driving "high" will probably drive really slow and just piss of other people on the road.
 
Modelworks

I agree with your points about going to the source, however you largely ignore the use of cannabis as a therapeutic substance. Medical marijuana can be used to relieve all kinds of ailments. People don't just do it to escape from life.

This is what makes cannabis unique compared to other "drugs". Its completely natural, relatively safe (compared to alcohol, tobacco, antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, pain pills, etc.), less addictive than caffeine, and it has legitimate uses that cannot currently be explored because it is classified as a schedule I drug.
 
Last edited:
How will this effect drug testing and screening in the workplace, especially if employer is headquartered outside of CA?

Would it be legal for state employees or law enforcement to use but not ok for federal employees?

Also the state would get tax revenue but would the fed get some to?
 
What happens when users drive while under the influence? Just asking as I don't know 🙂
It is illegal and would remain illegal. Driving while intoxicated applies to all drugs that cause impairment of driving ability; alcohol, pot, prescription drugs, etc.
 
Your second point is really invalid...your money currently goes to help these people because they get busted for possession, even for personal use, and are forced to pick between treatment centers or prison. Obviously, they choose treatment and then are "treated" at these rehab centers which are profiting like crazy from your tax dollars. If they choose prison, then your tax dollars go to their care just the same.

Make it legal, they don't get busted, people in treatment centers and prison for cannabis use goes down dramatically. Your tax dollars stay in your pocket.

So instead of being treated for a real problem, they will just go without treatment and cause more of a burden on society in other ways.

It's also funny how big of a push there is to stop smoking, yet here we are going backward on that progress. If this were to pass, it would definitely be a step backward in terms of social progress.

Have you also considered the effects of MJ on children? We already know that you can get high from the second hand smoke so do you really think that parents would be considerate enough to not smoke around their children? You had better be prepared for a lot more special needs children.
 
Have you also considered the effects of MJ on children? We already know that you can get high from the second hand smoke so do you really think that parents would be considerate enough to not smoke around their children? You had better be prepared for a lot more special needs children.

I think you're being a bit dramatic. Cannabis is far less harmful than cigarettes. Unfortunately though, you are correct. There are those who expose their children to second hand tobacco smoke everyday without considering the harmful effects. These same idiots would be as ignorant and careless with cannabis. However, if these people smoked cannabis over tobacco, I would argue that it would be an improvement health-wise.
 
They'll be able to tax it like other vices and put a huge dent in the state's debt?

What happens when a shop-o-coholic gets more money? They spend it on useless crap.

What happens when a politican gets more money? They spend it on useless crap, get use further in debt and do not lower taxes but raise them instead.

Anyone who believes that CA state politicians will not find a way to blow through any tax revenue collected off the sales of marijuna is smoking to much pot.

Non-violent cannabis users won't be thrown in jail with actual criminals, thus giving the crowded prison system a reprieve in both capacity and budget?


Very few people are thrown in jail for having just a small personal amount of marijuana in California nowadays. Most of the time they are cited with a ticket and let go unless they act like a douche nozzle toward the police officer. Now if they are driving and smoking this is an entireely different issue. Using any substance while driving is still strictly prohibited and should always remain so for public safety reasons. Most people being locked up are the big time dealers of whom many are connected with gangs and other organized crime or idiots who mouthed off to a cop when they got pulled over while driving and those who were dumb enough to flaunt how they have tons of pot in their home.
 
I do think the GOP should run on a platform of legalizing marijuana just because it would make so many liberals heads explode.
 
Legalizing drugs of any kind means the thousands of people convicted for the crime will challenge their sentences so there goes the idea of unburdening the courts and prisons.

Legalizing will not be cheaper because knowing the government they will start a whole new agency to monitor and control it , a combination of the DEA and FDA. Don't forget the health related problems as well.

The only way to handle drugs, crime, alcohol problems is to solve it at the source. Target the reasons why people turn to those things in the first place. Treating the results will never work until you remove the cause. Target why people abuse drugs, is it because they have a crappy life and are looking for an escape ? If so then show them how to get out of that life. I would much rather see money go to showing people how to deal with life than spending it on keeping them locked up . Things like say no to drugs will never work because it provides no alternatives. It is like giving money to a starving man and telling him don't spend the money, but go get some food. He will fill the need regardless of what the law, morals, or anyone else says.

Who says this has anything to with drug abuse and what health problems?

For the record, I don't think it will pass however marijuana is practically legal in Cali anyway.
 
What happens when a shop-o-coholic gets more money? They spend it on useless crap.

What happens when a politican gets more money? They spend it on useless crap, get use further in debt and do not lower taxes but raise them instead.

Anyone who believes that CA state politicians will not find a way to blow through any tax revenue collected off the sales of marijuna is smoking to much pot.


Do you have any input that doesn't rely on generalizations, assumptions, and stupid speculation? I was answering the OP's topic question. Looks like you have an axe to grind with CA politicians, and/or people who use cannabis.



Very few people are thrown in jail for having just a small personal amount of marijuana in California nowadays. Most of the time they are cited with a ticket and let go unless they act like a douche nozzle toward the police officer. Now if they are driving and smoking this is an entireely different issue. Using any substance while driving is still strictly prohibited and should always remain so for public safety reasons. Most people being locked up are the big time dealers of whom many are connected with gangs and other organized crime or idiots who mouthed off to a cop when they got pulled over while driving and those who were dumb enough to flaunt how they have tons of pot in their home.

Why are you acting like I said I don't have a problem with DUI? I really don't give a shit about your anecdotal examples, not without some kind of factual corroboration anyway. My liberal attitude towards cannabis doesn't extend to real, actual hard drugs like meth, coke, etc. Organized crime is an entirely different issue as well.
Like it or not, there are non-violent people incarcerated for cannabis possession, sans gang connections and the presence of other substances. I have a problem with that and I think legalization would do a lot to remedy the situation. You can disagree with me, but throwing out all kinds of irrelevant crap doesn't do much to make me think you've thought this through with an open mind.
 
This is some of the most amusing stuff I have ever read. Let me ask you all this In tonage how much cocain enters this country yearly . Who can afford cocain . The poor . Nope the pot heads nope. The well to do Yep. Ya want real reform right your reps . Tell them ya want REAL job drug testing that shows a persons real drug history .

Hows about all thos legeal drug pushers who call themselves doctors . What do we do about those and the people who wine to get drugs they don't need . What a farce this whole thing is .
 
I'll tell you what's amusing. Watching people who speak and type like 4 year old kids try to sound off on issues like this.

Is that you in the avatar field? Not trying to be The Grammarian here, but damn dude! You avoid complex words as much as the Edit button. Start small, then work up...
 
Your a funny man whos comprehension is only dwarfed by your humanitarism . These are strange times and old things are passing away . You recieve in proportion what you sow. Take care that you not be judged by your ignorance ,
 
Last edited:
The state of Alaska at one time legalized pot and then later they changed their mind and reversed their decision. This could also happen in California. Other things could happen also. The feds could change their position and move in and arrest everyone invlved and throw them in a federal prison and fine them the maximum fine for every pot plant they are growing. Then the land could be confiscated as a drug property. This could happen at any time and they deserve it. Pot is still an illegal drug according to the federal statutes. California is playing with fire.
 
Who says this has anything to with drug abuse and what health problems?

For the record, I don't think it will pass however marijuana is practically legal in Cali anyway.
Do you know how many people there are that use marijuana and claim it is for medical purposes but have no conditions that benefit from it ?

Health problems ? I hope you know that smoking marijuana causes respiratory disease and contains carcinogens just like tobacco, sometimes with even more tar . You cannot inhale smoke and not damage the lungs.

I'm not against making it legal, just don't try to use the medical excuse as the reason. Instead how about we make it and all drugs legal because the individual has the right to decide what is best for them, not the government.
 
Its completely natural, relatively safe (compared to alcohol, tobacco, antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, pain pills, etc.), less addictive than caffeine, and it has legitimate uses that cannot currently be explored because it is classified as a schedule I drug.

Natural does not mean good or safe. Arsenic is 100% natural.
It is no safer than tobacco. That safe to smoke is a myth the people using it have spread. Over and over test show that it damages the lungs. I don't see how people can think inhaling smoke is not going to harm the lungs.


As I said in another post, I am not against legalizing it, but lets drop the 'its for sick people' excuses.
 
It is no safer than tobacco. That safe to smoke is a myth the people using it have spread. Over and over test show that it damages the lungs. I don't see how people can think inhaling smoke is not going to harm the lungs.

Uh, pot doesn't cause cancer at anywhere near the level of tobacco or at all probably.
 
Back
Top