Some pointers:
WMD/Nuclear Proliferation
We didnt get rid of WMD in Iraq, because there were none. That gives other countries all the more reason to HAVE Nuclear capability so that they may not be the next target.
Saddam Hussein
We got rid of Saddam. Somehow, I dont think thats a major victory... as someone put it, he's the poster-boy for the resistance against American occupation forces.
War on Terrorism
We dont have Osama bin Laden. 9/11 commission says Iraq had nothing to do with September 11. After the invasion, Iraq has SUPPOSEDLY become a hotbed for terrorists (some call them terrorists, some call them insurgents). And most in the region are signing up for Al-Qaeda after watching the American imperialist forces occupy a sovereign nation, and all of the stuff that went on at Abu Gharib, etc, etc. So how are we winning the War on Terrorism? It seems to me that Saddam BEHIND bars has led to INCREASE in terrorism than when he was in power.
Respectability/Allies
Needless to say, we are far from a respectable position in the world. The list of nations who view us as hostile is much larger now than before this invasion, when we had the world's sympathy. We havent achieved victory in this respect either.
Democracy/Liberation/Freedom to Middle East
I dont think making Chalabi or Allawi, both viewed widely as puppets of the United States, the Prime Minister of Iraq serves to count as brining Democracy/Liberation/Freedom to Iraq. Abu Gharib doesnt help. No water/power and more or less complete infrastructure breakdown is hardly worth credit in winning this war. Those who think the elections in January will be anything less than a total farce are living in fantasy land. We dont have enough soldiers to protect themselves, let alone protect the voters. And by Mr. Allawi's admission, only 50000 Iraqis have been trained with arms. I cant imagine how much training 50000 Iraqis would have received. Other sources indicate only 8000 Iraqis are properly trained. Besides, whats to stop them from dropping their arms, or joining the other side when it suits them?
Besides, daily bombings in Falluja, Samarra, Najaf, etc are not helping win 'hearts and minds' of the Iraqis.
So do you think a proper election will serve as Victory for us? If so, do we leave after the elections, making Iraq into a democratic nation?
If your opinion is none of the above, then WHAT exactly will be victory for us in Iraq???
WMD/Nuclear Proliferation
We didnt get rid of WMD in Iraq, because there were none. That gives other countries all the more reason to HAVE Nuclear capability so that they may not be the next target.
Saddam Hussein
We got rid of Saddam. Somehow, I dont think thats a major victory... as someone put it, he's the poster-boy for the resistance against American occupation forces.
War on Terrorism
We dont have Osama bin Laden. 9/11 commission says Iraq had nothing to do with September 11. After the invasion, Iraq has SUPPOSEDLY become a hotbed for terrorists (some call them terrorists, some call them insurgents). And most in the region are signing up for Al-Qaeda after watching the American imperialist forces occupy a sovereign nation, and all of the stuff that went on at Abu Gharib, etc, etc. So how are we winning the War on Terrorism? It seems to me that Saddam BEHIND bars has led to INCREASE in terrorism than when he was in power.
Respectability/Allies
Needless to say, we are far from a respectable position in the world. The list of nations who view us as hostile is much larger now than before this invasion, when we had the world's sympathy. We havent achieved victory in this respect either.
Democracy/Liberation/Freedom to Middle East
I dont think making Chalabi or Allawi, both viewed widely as puppets of the United States, the Prime Minister of Iraq serves to count as brining Democracy/Liberation/Freedom to Iraq. Abu Gharib doesnt help. No water/power and more or less complete infrastructure breakdown is hardly worth credit in winning this war. Those who think the elections in January will be anything less than a total farce are living in fantasy land. We dont have enough soldiers to protect themselves, let alone protect the voters. And by Mr. Allawi's admission, only 50000 Iraqis have been trained with arms. I cant imagine how much training 50000 Iraqis would have received. Other sources indicate only 8000 Iraqis are properly trained. Besides, whats to stop them from dropping their arms, or joining the other side when it suits them?
Besides, daily bombings in Falluja, Samarra, Najaf, etc are not helping win 'hearts and minds' of the Iraqis.
So do you think a proper election will serve as Victory for us? If so, do we leave after the elections, making Iraq into a democratic nation?
If your opinion is none of the above, then WHAT exactly will be victory for us in Iraq???
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