What/when is the next AMD APU?

[Blue_Max]

My kid is running an old Core2Duo and GeForce 9600GT and some of the new games aren't going to run well or at all on that.

I'm wondering when the next APU is coming and what kind of video will it be sporting? If it's at least equal to today's Radeon 7750, we'd have a real winner for a reasonable price!

If not, I'd be better off getting him an i3 + vid combo for only a little more cash.

If it's coming, any idea when?

 

[Techhog]

It's coming soon, but due to DDR3 (and possibly less shaders?) it won't match a 7750. I'd recommend an Athlon x4 750K and a 7790.

 

[Ajay]

It's coming soon, but due to DDR3 (and possibly less shaders?) it won't match a 7750. I'd recommend an Athlon x4 750K and a 7790.

Wouldn't a AMD 760K be better? (Richland vs Trinity)

 

[Techhog]

Wouldn't a AMD 760K be better? (Richland vs Trinity)

Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah, 760K then, assuming the extra $10 isn't an issue.

 

[Blue_Max]

I just can't find a store in Canada that SELLS the 760K! What's the deal with that?? D:

Well - they got it at Newegg.ca, but it's $95 so it makes sense to get the Radeon 7660-whatever for $20-30 more. [shrug]

A $45 Intel dual-core and the $50 savings could end in a Radeon 7770-90.

 

[Fox5]

AMD's next gen gpus won't be out until early next year. They probably won't match a 7750 though.

 

[Soulkeeper]

You're better off with a discreet card radeon 7850 or higher for a gaming computer imo
If you mention your exact budget people are likely to give some more tuned part suggestions.

 

[Blue_Max]

Oh, I know most of my parts and prices but I wondered if maybe a new APU was right around the corner that was worth holding out for. It'd be nice to build a SMALL rig with no cards at all and the smallest mATX case possible (while still using standard PSU!)

You'd think that fewer parts = more reliable + better deal.

 

[Soulkeeper]

That old 9600GT had 57.6GB/s memory bandwidth
Of course it's an older card that lacks certain features, but just on that alone a ddr3 APU (trinity/richland or kaveri) won't always win.

kaveri is to be released in Jan, likely available in Feb 2014

FM2/FM2+ = ~32GB/s
7750 = 72.0GB/s
7790 = 96.0GB/s
7850 = 153.6GB/s

 

[AtenRa]

My kid is running an old Core2Duo and GeForce 9600GT and some of the new games aren't going to run well or at all on that.

I'm wondering when the next APU is coming and what kind of video will it be sporting? If it's at least equal to today's Radeon 7750, we'd have a real winner for a reasonable price!

If not, I'd be better off getting him an i3 + vid combo for only a little more cash.

If it's coming, any idea when?

I would wait for Kaveri to be released first and then decide. Hybrid CF may work well this time and it could change things.

For a slim SFF the Kaveri will be fine to game at 720p for 99% of the games. It will also be able to game at 1080p some games but we are still waiting to see the performance it will bring.

 

[DownTheSky]

It will be ~30% faster than a 6800k and can be oc for more since standard clock is really low (720mhz).

 

[NTMBK]

It's coming soon, but due to DDR3 (and possibly less shaders?) it won't match a 7750. I'd recommend an Athlon x4 750K and a 7790.

It has the same number of shaders as the 7750. And while it is DDR3 only, you can pair it with some pretty fast DDR3- you can use up to DDR3-2400. For comparison the DDR3 HD7750 only has DDR3-1600 memory!

The only worrying bit is the clock speed. Kaveri's graphics are listed as having a 720MHz clock, with no mention yet of a GPU Boost frequency. As it is based on the same GCN1.1 shaders as Hawaii, which has a very aggressive boost, hopefully Kaveri's GPU will also boost well- but we will need to wait and see.

Don't rule out Kaveri yet- wait for the benches.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

It's coming soon, but due to DDR3 (and possibly less shaders?) it won't match a 7750. I'd recommend an Athlon x4 750K and a 7790.

^^This.

You also need fast RAM (2133/2400MHz) for an APU. That can quickly add up. With a 750/760K you can slap in a single cheap 1333MHz DIMM and be done with it.

Wouldn't a AMD 760K be better? (Richland vs Trinity)

There is literally almost no difference. Richland has slightly better power control, but that's about it. Its the same physical chip after all...

 

[Ajay]

^^This.

You also need fast RAM (2133/2400MHz) for an APU. That can quickly add up. With a 750/760K you can slap in a single cheap 1333MHz DIMM and be done with it.



There is literally almost no difference. Richland has slightly better power control, but that's about it. Its the same physical chip after all...

The 760K has a higher clock. Given AMD poor memory performance, I'd still suggest making use of both channels (so two sticks, probably of DDR3 1600/1866).

 

[podspi]

I would wait for Kaveri to be released first and then decide. Hybrid CF may work well this time and it could change things.

For a slim SFF the Kaveri will be fine to game at 720p for 99% of the games. It will also be able to game at 1080p some games but we are still waiting to see the performance it will bring.

If hybrid CF doesn't work well this time, imho AMD is in big trouble. With decent hybrid CF, even if AMD's top APUs aren't as fast as Intel's (in graphics performance) as long as the discrete GPU is faster than both and CF scaling is decent, you have a winner.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

The 760K has a higher clock. Given AMD poor memory performance, I'd still suggest making use of both channels (so two sticks, probably of DDR3 1600/1866).

If you don't use the IGP, you have zero need for dual channel. Also the 750K can very easily hit similar clocks to the 760K, so other then the new revision you get very little value for those extra $. If that $ can get f.x. a 7790 instead of a 7750, then its a no-brainer...

my 2c...

 

[Johnny4]

the A10-5800k is good, and you can overclock it later if you want, which will OC your CPU and IGPU all at once...

 

[rtsurfer]

If hybrid CF doesn't work well this time, imho AMD is in big trouble. With decent hybrid CF, even if AMD's top APUs aren't as fast as Intel's (in graphics performance) as long as the discrete GPU is faster than both and CF scaling is decent, you have a winner.

In what world are AMD's top APUs slower than Intel in Graphics performance..??

 

[Fox5]

In what world are AMD's top APUs slower than Intel in Graphics performance..??

Iris Pro is beating AMD's top APUs now, but that's the only model.

 

[rtsurfer]

Iris Pro is beating AMD's top APUs now, but that's the only model.

I am aware of Iris Pro.
But that is what a 400$ or 500$ part and BGA only.

Last but not the least, Iris Pro was Intel's this years best APU. AMD has yet to release theirs.

I expect and wish that Kaveri's Graphic potential be substantially better than Iris Pros.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You could wait for Kaveri, but I seriously doubt it will match a gddr5 HD7750, which most are.

I would vote for the Athlon 750k, with a discrete card. The HD7770 up to HD7850 are priced extremely well right now. If you are building your own system, you would have a decent power supply, so I would suggest one of those cards. The 7770 is not much more expensive than the 7750 and is faster. The only reason I see to settle for the 7750 is if you are adding it to an off the shelf system with a weak power supply.