What weapons did US sell to Iraq?

[sirpado]

From my understanding of our support of Iraq earlier, especially with the Iran-Iraq war, we sold Saddam a lot of weapons, didn't we?

I know in the war 1, 000,000 iranians died, many by biological agents, etc. Were these weapons from USA? Does iraq still have weapons we gave them?


just wondering...

 

[syf3r]

deleted, wrong thread.

 

[Alistar7]

not sure if you only want to know about conventional or chem/bio weapons, heres an IRAQI supplied breakdown of that though...



The 12,000-page weapons declaration that Iraq delivered to the United Nations in December identifies 31 major foreign suppliers for its chemical weapons program, including 2 companies based in the United States that are now defunct, 14 from Germany, 3 each from the Netherlands and Switzerland and 2 each from France and Austria.

for quick reference thats 21 Euro, 2 American....

 

[zer0burn]

they mainly sold them a lot of russian weapons I believe.

Then sold them the chemical weapons they used aganist iran. During that conflict though they also supplied Iran with weapons....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
they mainly sold them a lot of russian weapons I believe.

Then sold them the chemical weapons they used aganist iran. During that conflict though they also supplied Iran with weapons....

lol whatever zero..... do your own legitimate research before you take his word.....

 

[RyanM]

Most of what we supplied them falls under the conventional weapons category - Guns, tanks, etc.

The US Government was not involved in the supply of any WMD - Those were private companies within the US. Further, since the UN resolutions have been passed, we haven't sold them anything.

UNLIKE France, Germany, Russia, and possibly China.

 

[HappyGamer2]

we sold Iraq almost no weapons of any type in the last 20 years

 

[HappyGamer2]

we helped Iraq in the war with Iran, but the help was mainly info, not weapons

 

[RyanM]

No, during the Iran-Iraq war, we gave them more than just advice. We have the receipts to prove it.

It was one of the biggest mess-ups the US had made in the last half-century. Thank hank we're going in and fixing it now.

 

[zer0burn]

um the US provided them with a lot of weapons... Dont live in a shell buddy America caused millions of deaths with advice to iraq and Iran and chemical weapons...



research

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

 

[HappyGamer2]

so what did we sell them in the iran-iraq war?
it didn't amount to much

 

[zer0burn]

or how about this research

more research

The US Defence Secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, is a strong supporter of president Bush's plan to invade Iraq, yet a few years ago he personally helped to supply Iraq with biological and chemical weapons!

Why did Saddam Hussein keep this fact secret, when details of such terrible American hypocrisy could have been used as a powerful weapon in his propaganda war against the USA? What might have been revealed about the secret side of America's relationship with Iraq within the 8,500 pages that the US government removed from Iraq's 12,000 page weapons declaration before most UN security council members were allowed to see it?

 

[HappyGamer2]

not so sure I believe the article, true old man bush and ronny were slippery and didn't care about the long term future, but I don't think they did that like the article says

 

[zer0burn]

ok how about this then...

I understand there trying to do the right thing which they are now but their hands are well entrenched in the history of iraq's WMD

 

[Alistar7]

yes trust some conspiracy theory on the web more so than Iraq on who they got their stuff from......

of course ZERO knows where Iraq got those weapons, so zero what else in that list IRAQ SUPPLIED is wrong?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
ok how about this then...

I understand there trying to do the right thing which they are now but their hands are well entrenched in the history of iraq's WMD

they used your first link as their source....

The UN report IRAQ submitted is far more factual I would think, what do THEY know though, they only bought them....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
ok how about this then...

I understand there trying to do the right thing which they are now but their hands are well entrenched in the history of iraq's WMD

And so does the US , willingly, the difference is we have not forgotten our responsibility in this matter.

Should we have taken the route the French, Germans, Russians, and Chineese? Signed the resolutions, then sold weapons to him illegally? Made deals for billions with Saddam to get sanctions lifted and to maintain his power? No thanks, I think we definitely chose the right course.

 

[zer0burn]

so now you trust Iraq???

So I bet that you trust their information minister then?


Do a search in google "weapons sold to iraq"

I did that and all are very similar..

You cannot deny the fact they sold them WMD...

 

[Alistar7]

And so does the US , willingly, the difference is we have not forgotten our responsibility in this matter.

look above, look below, where is my DENIAL?

No i cant deny fact like some people....

when I give irrefutable evidence, suddenly, you, who apparently believed saddam when he said " I dont have those anymore as agreed, I also have no evidence, take my word" SUDDENLY doesnt trust his word?

confusing....

 

[zer0burn]

your denial is claiming that this is some conspriacy theory that Im reporting...


actually the united states did sell weapons illegally to iran during the iraq/iran wars...

So basically they did do what the other countries did sign treaties then break them...

DO I believe the united states still acts this way? No I think they've learned their lesson. However I still cannot believe how blind you can be to this fact that they are responsible for a lot of IRAQ's WMD threw research and providing them the weapons before...

The United States admits it why cant you...

 

[HappyGamer2]

yep old man bush and ronny sold weapons to iran, and they gave them money too.
they were some real winners

 

[Alistar7]

And so does the US , willingly, the difference is we have not forgotten our responsibility in this matter.
that will be the THIRD and last time...


The 12,000-page weapons declaration that Iraq delivered to the United Nations in December identifies 31 major foreign suppliers for its chemical weapons program, including 2 companies based in the United States that are now defunct, 14 from Germany, 3 each from the Netherlands and Switzerland and 2 each from France and Austria.

when you compare 21 euro to 2 american you see where "alot" of his stuff came from. Mostly Germany (14).

Now which of those Euro countries are willing to help take them back?

 

[zer0burn]

I dont think you read the article though

What might have been revealed about the secret side of America's relationship with Iraq within the 8,500 pages that the US government removed from Iraq's 12,000 page weapons declaration before most UN security council members were allowed to see it?

I dont get where were disagreeing your saying then that united states did give iraq WMD? i dont understand do u agree?

Do you agree they sold iran WMD also??? I dont understand?

Because thats my stance that they did, although there trying to correct it now they did screw up big time in the past...


I never mention euro countries. Does it make it more right that united states sold them less weapons?

Im not denying the fact that france is the most corrupt country Im just saying the United states hands are dirty here...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
I dont think you read the article though

What might have been revealed about the secret side of America's relationship with Iraq within the 8,500 pages that the US government removed from Iraq's 12,000 page weapons declaration before most UN security council members were allowed to see it?

I dont get where were disagreeing your saying then that united states did give iraq WMD? i dont understand do u agree?

Do you agree they sold iran WMD also??? I dont understand?

Because thats my stance that they did, although there trying to correct it now they did screw up big time in the past...


I never mention euro countries. Does it make it more right that united states sold them less weapons?

Im not denying the fact that france is the most corrupt country Im just saying the United states hands are dirty here...

I doubt we supplied Iran, but it wouldnt suprise me.

I know what we gave him and when, I also know when he was given those he was viewed in a different light, he has SINCE done things which have changed our relationship dramatically. We understand we are partly responsible for him achieving power and giving him WMD, none of which means we are responsible for what HE did with them. All the same, we still have an obligation there to try and correct the situation, and we are.

Freeing the Iraqis is a great bonus, it helps he treated them so poorly and there is instant revenue to rebuild quickly, I think they will be happy to have world class hospitals, and actually be able to use them.
However, I firmly believe the only reason we are there is fear he may supply any terrorist group with WMD if they are willing to attack the US with them. Not willing to take his word anymore that he "got rid of them", COULD be true, he could have ALREADY given them away, let's hope not.

 

[zer0burn]

I agree with what you just said however the threat of him giving the weapons to terrorists is a lot less in comparison to a lot of other countries...


However they still are somewhat responsible for what he did with the weapons because even after he invaded kuwait they still supplied him with weapons/info, Even after he gassed the Kurds he supplied them with more aid...