What was the most POWERFUL AGP video card ever made?

[GaiaHunter]

All of them are utter crap compared to the 4670.

ORLY?

Start reading the thread from the beginning and then maybe you can understand where my comment came from and it is directed at.

 

[nemesismk2]

I think the 3850 was the fastest AGP video card ever released. Actually the Sapphire 3850 512MB AGP is still instock at a number of suppliers. I've only ever seen an AGP 4650 and not the 4670.

 

[dguy6789]

There are two AGP 4670s on Newegg right now.

 

[kalrith]

I think the 3850 was the fastest AGP video card ever released. Actually the Sapphire 3850 512MB AGP is still instock at a number of suppliers. I've only ever seen an AGP 4650 and not the 4670.

AGP 4670

I think it's safe to say that it's either the 3850 or the 4670. The cards seem to trade blows in the benchmarks, and neither one is faster than the other in every situation. In cases like this, it's good to try to find benchmarks of the games you're going to play and see which card comes out on top.

 

[edplayer]

The brands I am seeing for the 4670agp are Sapphire, HIS and Powercolor. Anyone see different ones? Which would have the best warranty and customer support?

Seems like you can get the 4670 cheaper than the 3850 also. Tigerdirect has a Sapphire version for $70.

I've only ever seen an AGP 4650 and not the 4670.

try google



and I just saw a Visiontek 4670

 

[hans030390]

Just so you know, installing the graphics drivers for the 4670 AGP in Vista or Windows 7 is a PITA. Last I checked, you have to do it manually through the device manager.

 

[Denithor]

Umm.... did you actually realize that it's a next-gen 4800-series (R770) core derivative, unlike the crappy 3800-derivative 3850...?

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3405&p=6

The 3850 wasn't a "crappy" card by any stretch of the imagination - perhaps you're thinking of the 2900-series cards or something? 3850 hangs right below the 4670 in the head-to-head comparison above - actually takes the lead in Oblivion and GRID where the increased memory bandwidth becomes a factor.

Just pick whichever is cheaper and be happy.

 

[dualsmp]

Reading through some of the comments at Newegg the HD 4670 AGP seems to have quite a few complaints about drivers for both Powercolor and HIS. There is one person who has both 3850 and a Powercolor 4670 and stated that 3850 is faster in real world. Perhaps the gap will close with better drivers though.

I have the Sapphire HD 3850 and it's been a great card. The only caveat is that it's fairly long so it might not fit in some cases and it needs some extra cooling. I had to add an extra intake fan that pumps around 50cfm to cool the case down since the card dumps a lot of heat into the case when loaded.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Probably a 3850 or 8600gt.

There was not 8600 class cardin the AGP flavor. nVidia moved to just PCI-Express and PCI. AGP fees are awfully high now. Thanks Intel.

Also, the 3850 is, if not more than twice as fast as the 8600gt/9500gt.

Just throwing it out there.

 

[T2k]

ORLY?

Start reading the thread from the beginning and then maybe you can understand where my comment came from and it is directed at.

I did it hence my comment about your irrelevant OT post - you might want to read the OP again:

What was the most POWERFUL AGP video card ever made?
Just curious.


edit: meant most powerful, not the greatest ever.

HINT: it's not a nostalgy topic.

 

[T2k]

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3405&p=6

The 3850 wasn't a "crappy" card by any stretch of the imagination - perhaps you're thinking of the 2900-series cards or something? 3850 hangs right below the 4670 in the head-to-head comparison above - actually takes the lead in Oblivion and GRID where the increased memory bandwidth becomes a factor.

Just pick whichever is cheaper and be happy.

Fair enough, I guess I confused the two - however 4670 IS the derivative of the last-gen core (current-gen until last month ), I wouldn't buy anything else.

 

[T2k]

Reading through some of the comments at Newegg the HD 4670 AGP seems to have quite a few complaints about drivers for both Powercolor and HIS. There is one person who has both 3850 and a Powercolor 4670 and stated that 3850 is faster in real world. Perhaps the gap will close with better drivers though.

Newegg comments are often full of clueless people complaining about things they simply don't understand so careful there, I usually don't put too much trust in it unless it's overly negative from a high number of comments (>=80-100 feedbacks.)

 

[Ben90]

Newegg comments are often full of clueless people complaining about things they simply don't understand so careful there, I usually don't put too much trust in it unless it's overly negative from a high number of comments (>=80-100 feedbacks.)

Reviewed By: KRUTON on 11/18/2008

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Pros: Definitly one of the best processors out there right now. I was blown away at how fast this chip was, and I just came off of a Core 2 Quad 9450 and I still noticed a huge difference. Crysis is now a thing of the past with this processor, mind you I only said processor not graphics card
Cons: None at all. The only thing that would have been nice would have been to put the new 35nm chips in instead of the 45nm because the 35s are gonna be out in less then 6 months anyway, so they should have just put them into this processor.

Ive always wondered why they didn't put the 35nm chips in the core i7 920 as well

 

[evolucion8]

Fair enough, I guess I confused the two - however 4670 IS the derivative of the last-gen core (current-gen until last month ), I wouldn't buy anything else.

As if the HD 4670 were based on a totally different architecture from the HD 3850. At the architecture level, both are identical, the only difference between then are some optimizations toward GPGPU like Double Precision, Compute Shader, Local Data share, plus fixed ROP for Anti Aliasing and reworked TMU's for smaller die space usage.

 

[exar333]

Ive always wondered why they didn't put the 35nm chips in the core i7 920 as well

Didn't you hear? Intel cancelled the 35nm project and are using "the crystals" instead to make it faster.

 

[Denithor]

Fair enough, I guess I confused the two - however 4670 IS the derivative of the last-gen core (current-gen until last month ), I wouldn't buy anything else.

I know - I simply made the first response (suggesting 3850 as the best AGP card made) before I remembered they also released the 4670 with an AGP interface as well.

4670 probably has a few features & should have longer "active" driver support than the 3850, making it a better choice.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I did it hence my comment about your irrelevant OT post - you might want to read the OP again

Good to know you are here to keep these forums in shape.

OT: Both the 3850 and 4670 are powerful cards for AGP (many would say to powerful for the processors you can pair them with). 4670 is preferable due to better power consumption and somewhat better performance (don't expect great differences though, because while the 4xxx series has some fixes/improvements over the 3xxx, the 4670 has a 128bit-bus vs 256bit bus for the 3850), but if price difference is too great 3850 is a good option.

 

[dflynchimp]

T2K legitimate argument non-withstanding, stop multi-posting and use the damn edit button, that or wait for a response before you post again.

 

[dualsmp]

Couldn't find a direct comparison between 3850 AGP and 4670 AGP, but this review should give an indication of performance even though it's PCI-E. Keep in mind also the cards here not nearly as CPU bound as your average AGP system is probably going to encounter. Also the 4670 here only used 512 Mb but shouldn't change things a whole lot.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4650_OC/1.html

Used 1280x1024 for comparison but you can check out other resolutions if you use a larger screen.

Call of Duty 4: -----------3850 - 45.8fps/4670 - 55.4fps
Call of Juarez:------------3850 - 28.7fps/4670 - 25.1fps
Company Of Heroes:------3850 - 179.4fps/4670 - 183.3fps
Crysis:-------------------3850 - 21.3fps/4670 - 22.2fps
Quake Wars:-------------3850 - 93.7fps/ 4670 - 105.3fps
Far Cry:-----------------3850 - 95.1fps/4670 - 122.3fps
Fear:--------------------3850 - 89fps/ 4670 - 82fps
Prey:--------------------3850 - 92.2fps/4670 - 88.4fps
Quake 4:----------------3850 - 128.9fps/4670 - 93.3fps
Splinter Cell 3:-----------3850 - 86.8fps/4670 - 82.9fps
Stalker:-----------------3850 - 53.3fps/4670 - 51.9fps
Team Fortress 2:--------3850 - 61.9fps/4670 - 68.9fps
Unreal Tournament 3:----3850 - 100.8fps/4670 - 99.3fps
World in Conflict:--------3850 - 30.0fps/4670 - 35.0 fps

Folding @ home:----3850 - 8741/4670 - 7620
3DMark03:----------3850 - 16620/4670 - 14643
3DMark05:----------3850 - 12424/4670 - 12202
3DMark06:----------3850 - 9098/4670 - 7782

Essentially they trade blows under ideal conditions (not CPU bound). The 3850 is a little better under synthetic benchmarks.

 

[veri745]

Couldn't find a direct comparison between 3850 AGP and 4670 AGP, but this review should give an indication of performance even though it's PCI-E. Keep in mind also the cards here not nearly as CPU bound as your average AGP system is probably going to encounter. Also the 4670 here only used 512 Mb but shouldn't change things a whole lot.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4650_OC/1.html

Used 1280x1024 for comparison but you can check out other resolutions if you use a larger screen.

Call of Duty 4: -----------3850 - 45.8fps/4670 - 55.4fps
Call of Juarez:------------3850 - 28.7fps/4670 - 25.1fps
Company Of Heroes:------3850 - 179.4fps/4670 - 183.3fps
Crysis:-------------------3850 - 21.3fps/4670 - 22.2fps
Quake Wars:-------------3850 - 93.7fps/ 4670 - 105.3fps
Far Cry:-----------------3850 - 95.1fps/4670 - 122.3fps
Fear:--------------------3850 - 89fps/ 4670 - 82fps
Prey:--------------------3850 - 92.2fps/4670 - 88.4fps
Quake 4:----------------3850 - 128.9fps/4670 - 93.3fps
Splinter Cell 3:-----------3850 - 86.8fps/4670 - 82.9fps
Stalker:-----------------3850 - 53.3fps/4670 - 51.9fps
Team Fortress 2:--------3850 - 61.9fps/4670 - 68.9fps
Unreal Tournament 3:----3850 - 100.8fps/4670 - 99.3fps
World in Conflict:--------3850 - 30.0fps/4670 - 35.0 fps

Folding @ home:----3850 - 8741/4670 - 7620
3DMark03:----------3850 - 16620/4670 - 14643
3DMark05:----------3850 - 12424/4670 - 12202
3DMark06:----------3850 - 9098/4670 - 7782

Essentially they trade blows under ideal conditions (not CPU bound). The 3850 is a little better under synthetic benchmarks.

Nice comparison. Looks like about a 1% advantage to the 4670 overall (for the game benchies)

 

[Mihaescu Alexandru]

Nice comparison. Looks like about a 1% advantage to the 4670 overall (for the game benchies)

So, now that we are in 2016, the most powerful video card on AGP i think remained the HIS HD 4670 IceQ Native HDMI 1GB (128bit) DDR3 AGP . Nice history tech
http://www.hisdigital.com/us/product2-448.shtml