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What was the last Ferrari with a proper gearbox?

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SSSnail said:
Wait a minute, hold on a minute... I SAID HOLD THE F#%K ON!!!

You guys are crying about a car that you'll never be able to buy? That's laughable.

WTF is "proper"? If it's manual, it's fuking manual; if it's a MUCH more technologically advanced form of shifting that allows the driver to concentrate on the road and DRIVE the fuscking machine to it's limit, then so be it. It's called technology, deal with it. It's better, it's faster, it's more efficient. WTF is not "proper" about it? Not allowing you to fuss around with it so you can be "one with the car"?

Seriously, quit sounding like most of you are hard core old school racing drivers and need to refers to the "old days" to sound cool. It's garbage.

Alright, now I need a proper drink.
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Angry much?

I might be in the market for one in a few years...we'll see. I like to check the local ads and ebay to see what these things sell for and it seems like nearly all of them have this automatic gearbox with the flappy paddle shifters. My neighbor owns a Ferrari 348 spyder and a Ferrari 456. He only paid $50k for the 348. Not sure what he paid for the 456 but he works at a Ferrari dealer so I'm sure he got a good deal on it.

There are 74 used Ferraris for sale within 50 miles of my zip code ranging in price from $29,000 to $350,000.

Ooh, here's a nice 1997 F355 Spyder for sale with a proper gearbox too! $62,500.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.j...mission=&max_price=&cardist=39&standard=false
 
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My prediction is that these hardcore sportscars will swear off the manual gearbox for a long time, just like car manufacturers in America swore off making good looking cars until the late '90's.

So I suspect we'll go through maybe 20 years of just automatic/F1 trans/MSG/w.e and then people are going to get nostalgic for the good old days when men were men, and manuals might become popular again. Maybe.
 
JulesMaximus said:
If you don't know what a proper gearbox is...well, I'm sorry.

Was it the F430?
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Even if I didn't really truely enjoy a manual transmission, there's something about a ferrari not having the polished gated shifter that just doesn't seem quite right to me.

No one at ferrari thought to ask me though, or you either I guess.
 
And then they will do away with air conditioners and we can hand crank our engines to start them, just like we did when men were men.
 
Pantoot said:
And then they will do away with air conditioners and we can hand crank our engines to start them, just like we did when men were men.
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I actually wouldn't mind that. It's a pain in the ass when my batter goes out, and considering how refined they can get everything these days, hand cranks probably wouldn't even break your wrist anymore!
 
JulesMaximus said:
Angry much?

I might be in the market for one in a few years...we'll see. I like to check the local ads and ebay to see what these things sell for and it seems like nearly all of them have this automatic gearbox with the flappy paddle shifters. My neighbor owns a Ferrari 348 spyder and a Ferrari 456. He only paid $50k for the 348. Not sure what he paid for the 456 but he works at a Ferrari dealer so I'm sure he got a good deal on it.

There are 74 used Ferraris for sale within 50 miles of my zip code ranging in price from $29,000 to $350,000.

Ooh, here's a nice 1997 F355 Spyder for sale with a proper gearbox too! $62,500.
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Get a 328 and you won't be as exposed to HUGE repair bills of the 348 or 355. 456's are nice cars but only in stick. Get an auto and have that transmission go out and you have a nice 4-seat lawn ornament from Maranello.
 
Honestly I don't know why they got rid of the option. If my mother was to buy a Ferrari she would buy the kinda with the paddle shifter. On the other hand if I was to buy a Ferrari it probably would be straight manual. But honestly since I have never driven a dual clutch one I have no idea what they are like.
 
The Boston Dangler said:
a proper semi-automatic transmission is a sequential 6 or 7 speed box with clutchless shifting, and i would be all over it. what is available on cars under $100,000 is an automatic transmission equipped with up and down buttons, and it sucks.
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Volkswagen DSG is available on cars under $30k.
 
reallyscrued said:
Hold on....you're comparing the paddle shifting in your Lexus to a Ferrari?

Dude, Ferrari's have F1 gearboxes, that's why they are paddle shifts.


Hope you didn't cry too much about the new Ferraris...
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F1 is just a marketing moniker given to the transmission...it's largely a regular manual transmission with a bunch of hydraulics and electronics integrated into it which in no way resembles an actual F1 gear box.
 
Jumpem said:
I love the paddles on my Outback and Fit, and won't buy an auto car without them from now on. Though all I really use them for is compression braking.
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Which is significantly less than with a manual tranny since the torque converter intermediates.
 
Tsavo said:
F1 is just a marketing moniker given to the transmission...it's largely a regular manual transmission with a bunch of hydraulics and electronics integrated into it which in no way resembles an actual F1 gear box.
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And they in no way resemble a slushbox transmission either.
 
Tsavo said:
...which in no way resembles Salma Hayek.
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In 2007 a F1 transmission was able to shift in around .05 seconds, a Ferrari 430 Scuderia transmission is able to shift in .06 seconds. So the "F1" gearbox in Ferrari's road cars is incredibly capable and is actually quite similar to an F1 transmission in operation and performance. Both use electro hydraulic actuators to control the clutch and gear shifts and do so incredibly fast.
 
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crazySOB297 said:
In 2007 a F1 transmission was able to shift in around .05 seconds, a Ferrari 430 Scuderia transmission is able to shift in .06 seconds. So the "F1" gearbox in Ferrari's road cars is incredibly capable and is actually quite similar to an F1 transmission in operation and performance. Both use electro hydraulic actuators to control the clutch and gear shifts and do so incredibly fast.
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Mechanically they are quite different, which was my point.
 
3chordcharlie said:
Even if I didn't really truely enjoy a manual transmission, there's something about a ferrari not having the polished gated shifter that just doesn't seem quite right to me.

No one at ferrari thought to ask me though, or you either I guess.
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It probably doesn't help that they are purchased largely by old guys with a lot of money who rarely drive them...or young guys with a lot of money who don't really know how to drive a car like that.
 
JulesMaximus said:
It probably doesn't help that they are purchased largely by old guys with a lot of money who rarely drive them...or young guys with a lot of money who don't really know how to drive a car like that.
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I can't speak to the veracity of this statement but the bulk of my friends that own them are 35-45 and they do know how to drive. Used Ferrari's aren't unobtainable goals as they once were, what with plum pickings of excellent 328's and 355's priced firmly in the new SUV range.

New Ferraris aren't that out of reach as they once were, what with 125+k software dev jobs commonplace and this is why 360's and 430's are everywhere these days....got a good job? Buy a V-8 Ferrari.
 
Tsavo said:
I can't speak to the veracity of this statement but the bulk of my friends that own them are 35-45 and they do know how to drive. Used Ferrari's aren't unobtainable goals as they once were, what with plum pickings of excellent 328's and 355's priced firmly in the new SUV range.

New Ferraris aren't that out of reach as they once were, what with 125+k software dev jobs commonplace and this is why 360's and 430's are everywhere these days....got a good job? Buy a V-8 Ferrari.
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I highly doubt that the second-hand enthusiast market for used 'low-end' ferraris drives a lot of decision making at the factory😛
 
Tsavo said:
I can't speak to the veracity of this statement but the bulk of my friends that own them are 35-45 and they do know how to drive. Used Ferrari's aren't unobtainable goals as they once were, what with plum pickings of excellent 328's and 355's priced firmly in the new SUV range.

New Ferraris aren't that out of reach as they once were, what with 125+k software dev jobs commonplace and this is why 360's and 430's are everywhere these days....got a good job? Buy a V-8 Ferrari.
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No shit sherlock...I believe I said that already.

And even though you can buy a gorgeous slightly used Ferrari for the price of a new Stupid Uselss Vehicle it doesn't in any way mean you can afford the maintenance on it...and they do require frequent and very expensive maintenance. Like, take the entire engine out to change the timing belt every 15k miles type of maintenance. Not exactly a very economical daily driver.
 
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SSSnail said:
Wait a minute, hold on a minute... I SAID HOLD THE F#%K ON!!!

You guys are crying about a car that you'll never be able to buy? That's laughable.

WTF is "proper"? If it's manual, it's fuking manual; if it's a MUCH more technologically advanced form of shifting that allows the driver to concentrate on the road and DRIVE the fuscking machine to it's limit, then so be it. It's called technology, deal with it. It's better, it's faster, it's more efficient. WTF is not "proper" about it? Not allowing you to fuss around with it so you can be "one with the car"?
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So why have the paddles at all? Wouldn't they just distract from turning the wheel and pushing the gas? I mean, afterall, you have to pay attention to RPMs, engine sound and so forth in order to shift. Just do away with the paddles and have the transmission shift whenever it wants to.

Seriously, paddles are for video game steering wheels, not cars.
 
Raduque said:
So why have the paddles at all? Wouldn't they just distract from turning the wheel and pushing the gas? I mean, afterall, you have to pay attention to RPMs, engine sound and so forth in order to shift. Just do away with the paddles and have the transmission shift whenever it wants to.

Seriously, paddles are for video game steering wheels, not cars.
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Agree, and "proper" gearboxes (agree with the term) are for people who love driving (like me) and don't want the car to tell me how it feels it should be shifting, or whatever.... I want to do it all.

No traction control, no ABS, no automatic junk..... Just how a car should be.
 
I am still not sure about CVT long term durability, especially in a heavier AWD off-road capable vehicle like outback. The whole metal belt gripping on saucers idea kind of makes me uneasy.
 
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