What was the exit plan on Dec 8th 1941??

[K1052]

Originally posted by: smack Down
How about the war of 1812, what was the exit plan for that war.

Make the British stop being mean to us and possibly grab some of Canada.

One outta two ain't bad.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy


I don't want to get into this WWII vs. War on Terror argument... But that was a silly comparison.

When did Germany ever attack American soil? .......

I can at least answer this one.

The United States was officially neutral, and remained so even after the German U-boat U-552 sank the destroyer USS Rueben James on October 31st, 1941, with a loss of 115 of 160 of her crew. USS Rueben James attack

This among numerous US merchant ships.

 

[ZeGermans]

Ok this thread is silly. It's comparing to completely enemies in two completely different times. We might as well ask "what was the exit strategy from Gaul after Varus lost 3 Roman legions to Hermann?"

 

[Jadow]

Kill all Axis troops, destroy their cities, utter destruction until they surrender.

That's what we did, and they surrendered.

The difference here is, we can't just kill all muslims.

 

[daclayman]

Originally posted by: Jadow
Kill all Axis troops, destroy their cities, utter destruction until they surrender.

That's what we did, and they surrendered.

The difference here is, we can't just kill all muslims.

I think it's cuz there's no country called Muslim-o-stan. It seems 'muslim' would refer to a religion. I believe that war declared on another country by the leader of said country (Hitler, Hirohito, etc.) would constitute a reason for war against that country.

That said, maybe the Allies were a tad over-aggressive against Axis forces. However, I think they did a fine job.

 

[her209]

I thought we already won the war. When would it be appropriate to talk about exit strategies?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Saddam = Hirohito?

Saddam = Hitler?

Saddams military was as powerful and dangerous to World Peace as that of the Nazis and the Japanese?

and lastly

When was the last time Iraq attacked American soil?

LOL

When was the last time Italy, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary etc attacked America ?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Frackal
When was the last time Italy, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary etc attacked America ?

You see... there's this thing called alliances. Say it with me now... alliances.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

We didn't need an exit plan b/c FDR was looking for an excuse to get INTO the war. FDR didn't have the temerity of GWB to make up an excuse . . . revise that excuse . . . revise his revision . . .

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan
Saddam = Hirohito?

Saddam = Hitler?

Saddams military was as powerful and dangerous to World Peace as that of the Nazis and the Japanese?

and lastly

When was the last time Iraq attacked American soil?

LOL

When was the last time Italy, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary etc attacked America ?

Fine, When was the last time Iraq attacked Franece, USA, or GB?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Sorry... edited while you were quoting me.

Dude, we didn't "go after Germany because they were allied with Japan".

After Japan attacked the United States, the U.S. declared war on Japan.

Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war on the United States.


There is a difference which is important to remember.


It means The U.S. did not attack any nation which hadn't first attacked or otherwise declared war on us.

IIRC we declared war on Germany in WWI ostensibly because of their sinking of our cruise ships ('minor attacks') and the Zimmerman note, which represented a potential FUTURE threat to the USA. Conspiring with others against the United States.

In reality I think we did it more because those in power knew then, like today that it was important for Britain, France et al to win.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan
Saddam = Hirohito?

Saddam = Hitler?

Saddams military was as powerful and dangerous to World Peace as that of the Nazis and the Japanese?

and lastly

When was the last time Iraq attacked American soil?

LOL

When was the last time Italy, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary etc attacked America ?

LOL

Comparing WORLD WAR II to Iraq again..

Ok... When did Saddam proclaim his support and alliance with al-qaeda?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan
Saddam = Hirohito?

Saddam = Hitler?

Saddams military was as powerful and dangerous to World Peace as that of the Nazis and the Japanese?

and lastly

When was the last time Iraq attacked American soil?

LOL

When was the last time Italy, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary etc attacked America ?

Fine, When was the last time Iraq attacked Franece, USA, or GB?

Good comeback, although technically Iraq fired on us during the 90's, both the US and GB, and continued to attack Israel by proxy.

That is not reason enough to invade btw

 

[dahunan]

How did they continue to attack Israel by proxy... By helping innocent people whose homes were destroyed by Israeli vengeance/justice?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Sorry... edited while you were quoting me.

Dude, we didn't "go after Germany because they were allied with Japan".

After Japan attacked the United States, the U.S. declared war on Japan.

Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war on the United States.


There is a difference which is important to remember.


It means The U.S. did not attack any nation which hadn't first attacked or otherwise declared war on us.

IIRC we declared war on Germany in WWI ostensibly because of their sinking of our cruise ships ('minor attacks') and the Zimmerman note, which represented a potential FUTURE threat to the USA. Conspiring with others against the United States.

In reality I think we did it more because those in power knew then, like today that it was important for Britain, France et al to win.

Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec 11. The U.S. declared war on Germany after that.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Was that when Japan bombed us and we invaed Mexico? I forget how that went, nice troll kiddo.

You mean when Japan bombed us and we attacked Germany? Germany was not a 'real' threat to us... I mean I can't believe that we pre-emptively attacked the innocent Germans.

We were already looking to get into WWII to help out our allies the English, French, Chinese, et al. The attack on Pearl Harbor was just convienent enough to let us. And the Germans had declared war on us, and were openly attacking our efforts to aid England with supplies. Germany openly declared their threat to the entire world.

 

[irwincur]

Guess you didn't read the post above yours...Germany declared war on the United States.

And Iraq not abiding by their cease fire terms is not the same thing. In essence, if you sign a cease fire and never intend (or stop) to cease, you are still at war. If I recall during Gulf War I Iraq actually did declare war against the US as a symbolic gesture, but war nonetheless.

So, keep defending Saddam as much as you want. The fact of the matter is, he never respected the terms of the cease fire, hence, we were still at war.

At this point in time in WWII, the war was over, won, finished, mission accomplished, the Axis vanquished. There was no need for an exit plan at this point in the conflict.

Tell that to the 10,000 men that gave their lives in Germany and Japan fighting post war insurgencies. In Southern Germany some units fought for many months after the end of the war killing thousand of Allied soldiers. Hell, up to a few decades ago there were still random Japanese remnants killing farmers on remote Asian islands. Should we pull our supprt of Japan for this...

 

[TallBill]

Saddam was a stand up guy. I dunno why we captured him.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Sorry... edited while you were quoting me.

Dude, we didn't "go after Germany because they were allied with Japan".

After Japan attacked the United States, the U.S. declared war on Japan.

Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war on the United States.


There is a difference which is important to remember.


It means The U.S. did not attack any nation which hadn't first attacked or otherwise declared war on us.

IIRC we declared war on Germany in WWI ostensibly because of their sinking of our cruise ships ('minor attacks') and the Zimmerman note, which represented a potential FUTURE threat to the USA. Conspiring with others against the United States.

In reality I think we did it more because those in power knew then, like today that it was important for Britain, France et al to win.

Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec 11. The U.S. declared war on Germany after that.

Aren't you talking about WWII? I'm talking about WWI

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Citrix
just wondering....

Complete and total victory over the Japanese culminating with their unconditional surrender.

 

[Red Dawn]

dp

 

[Czar]

what a confusing thread

 

[techs]

Unconditional Surrender by Japan.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Citrix
just wondering....

Complete and total victory over the Japanese culminating with their unconditional surrender.

Finally.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Citrix
just wondering....

We dont have one, 60 years later we are still in both countries.