What wars in U.S. history have been just wars in your opinion?

[Anarchist420]

I'd say none except for the Revolutionary War.

But I'll explain my position on the five main ones:

War of 1812:
The British had announced an end to their blockade 2 days before Madison had his Congress declare War.

It was to gain control of the 14th Colony (if ever there was one), Canada.

It was unnecessary to expand overseas in the first place.

Mex-Am War:

Someone was killed in the area in which was disputed territory and James K Polk used that to get Congress to declare war, by claiming that the unmarked territory was the U.S.'s.

Span-Am War:
Popular support came from a false-flag attack. The U.S. planted a self-detonating mine in the Maine.

WWI:
The U.S. didn't need to be on the high seas.

Wilson gained support by sending ammo to Britain on the Lusitania, so that Germany would attack and that he'd have excuse to go to war. He was told by a military official to warn the people to get off the ship, as he had plenty of time, but he refused to warn them that they were about to blown up.

WWII:
FDR and an advisor had an 8 point plan to trick the Japanese into firing the first shot.

The U.S. had no business conquesting HI and occupying Pearl Harbor

 

[her209]

The Civil War

/thread

 

[nageov3t]

dogmatically, I'd go with WW2, the Gulf War, and the Bosnian War as Just Wars.

I don't see how you justify the Revolutionary War as a Just War... taxation wouldn't make my list of qualifications for "grave, lasting damages."

 

[nageov3t]

The Civil War

/thread

slavery likely would have ended without war, as rapidly approaching industrialization was making it less practical.

 

[her209]

slavery likely would have ended without war, as rapidly approaching industrialization was making it less practical.

Likely doesn't imply certainty, but I guess we'll never know, eh. But one has to wonder what would have happened if slaves would have been just deported back to Africa instead of being turned into "14th Amendment citizens" to use right-wing militia pejorative. Also, Lincoln must have had other motivations.

:hmm:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

lol "Anarchist420"

your opinions and ideas have already been discredited before even reading them

 

[ShawnD1]

Korean War was a good one. North Korea should have been nuked into nothingness 😉

 

[feralkid]

lol "Anarchist420"

your opinions and ideas have already been discredited before even reading them

What does it matter what his screen name is, Mr "Bunnyfubbles"?

 

[cubby1223]

FDR and an advisor had an 8 point plan to trick the Japanese into firing the first shot.

Go away.

And do try to lay off the dope.

😉

 

[piasabird]

WW II
Reason: We were attacked and we declared war.

At other times you have to consider that war might have to be to stamp out evil dictators. If you look at WW II, we hesitated and did not go to war, or we got soft and did not act quickly enough. We almost lost in the Korean Conflict because while the rest of the world made bigger and larger tanks we did nothing and were ill prepared. We wanted peace, but the communists wanted war. I still think we want peace, but we should learn from the past.

 

[PeshakJang]

You are 15-17 years old, live at home, and think you understand the world better than your parents. You stay up just about every night until 12-1 AM wasting time on the internet. You think you are better than your peers because they go about their happy day-to-day lives without realizing the deep, dark truths of the world that you have uncovered in the last 2 years while reading obscure blogs and sneaking schnapps from your parent's bar. On the weekends you go out and probably try to get people to buy you beer, then you play Xbox at your friend's house who's parents don't care enough to come check on your guys in the basement. You will go to a mid-range state school and major in liberal arts, after which you will work at Starbucks for several years until you have an epiphany and realize that you wasted most of your childhood years doing the above.

Am I in the ballpark?

 

[Schadenfroh]

We had no business getting involved in WW1.

WW2 was kinda forced upon us, although we were kinda pissing off Japan, but they would have attacked us sooner or later. I would have dealt with them first rather than the Germans, since they were the ones that brought us in.

The Mexican-American and Spanish-American wars were obvious imperialism, but they had "favorable" results in the long term.

Korean War was a good one. North Korea should have been nuked into nothingness 😉

Aww, then we would not have a NK propaganda minister as a member here.

 

[Moonbeam]

The war on poverty. The war on cancer. Those come to mind.

 

[ShawnD1]

You are 15-17 years old, live at home, and think you understand the world better than your parents.

To be fair, this is true for a lot of families. Kids grow up in the age of the internet where you're actually expected to know things. Whenever I have a family gathering with parents, aunts, uncles, etc, they usually end up having the most ridiculous conversations that make absolutely no sense whatsoever. They're actually worse than Anarchist420. I remember last Christmas a few of my uncles were saying daycare shouldn't be subsidized because "I shouldn't pay for someone elses sexual incompetence" since that whole 50% divorce rate is a lie to make people think that single parent homes are caused by divorce. When confronted about statistics, the typical response is "there are lies, damn lies, then there are statistics." Ok so now it's a huge conspiracy by the government and we should never base our policies on numbers. Fucking old people make me so angry.

Aww, then we would not have a NK propaganda minister as a member here.

/combs hair

 

[cubeless]

To be fair, this is true for a lot of families. Kids grow up in the age of the internet where you're actually expected to know things. Whenever I have a family gathering with parents, aunts, uncles, etc, they usually end up having the most ridiculous conversations that make absolutely no sense whatsoever. They're actually worse than Anarchist420. I remember last Christmas a few of my uncles were saying daycare shouldn't be subsidized because "I shouldn't pay for someone elses sexual incompetence" since that whole 50% divorce rate is a lie to make people think that single parent homes are caused by divorce. When confronted about statistics, the typical response is "there are lies, damn lies, then there are statistics." Ok so now it's a huge conspiracy by the government and we should never base our policies on numbers. Fucking old people make me so angry.



/combs hair

maybe your poor, uneducated relatives were young once? and didn't get to go to college and get a fine liberal arts education like yourself do be getting? and live their little lives with their little thoughts because that's just how it seems to them?

i'm sure glad we have spawned y'all and y'all're gonna fix everything that us old dumbsters messed up... i wish you good luck and god-speed...

and all wars, hyuk, hyuk, are just wars... somebody thought they'd just have a war... it's a people thing...

 

[Throckmorton]

Not only was WWII just, but we should have gone to war without being attacked first. To let the Axis commit genocide and enslave Europe was deeply immoral.

Why am I not surprised that the right wing of this forum is suddenly so pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi that it is against our entry in WWII?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Not only was WWII just, but we should have gone to war without being attacked first. To let the Axis commit genocide and enslave Europe was deeply immoral.

Why am I not surprised that the right wing of this forum is suddenly so pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi that it is against our entry in WWII?

WTF. You can try all you want to think that the "right wing" is this or that but it's quite clear your head is so far up your ass you can't think straight. There is ZERO evidence to support your claims.

 

[CanOWorms]

Not only was WWII just, but we should have gone to war without being attacked first. To let the Axis commit genocide and enslave Europe was deeply immoral.

Why am I not surprised that the right wing of this forum is suddenly so pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi that it is against our entry in WWII?

The Japan part may have been appropriate, but the European part was not in the way the USA participated. It should have participated as an independent force rather than allying with countries like France, UK, etc.

You claim to let the Axis commit genocide and enslave Europe was deeply immoral. What about letting the allies commit genocide and enslave Africa & Asia? The UK had an ongoing genocide in WW2. After WW2, all we did was allow France, UK, the Netherlands, etc. to continue their empires. If the USA entered as a rightful and just independent party, those empires could have been destroyed.

One of the biggest mistakes of American history was letting so many Americans die for European supremacy. It was basically a valuation of European lives being greater than the billions of others. To me, that seems to be the pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi side.

 

[Throckmorton]

WTF. You can try all you want to think that the "right wing" is this or that but it's quite clear your head is so far up your ass you can't think straight. There is ZERO evidence to support your claims.

Look at this thread and look at the apartheid one

 

[OCGuy]

Troll thread.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Look at this thread and look at the apartheid one

the right wing of this forum is suddenly so pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi that it is against our entry in WWII?

Again, pull your head out of your ass. There is nothing in this thread to back up your ASSertion.

 

[Anarchist420]

You are 15-17 years old, live at home, and think you understand the world better than your parents. You stay up just about every night until 12-1 AM wasting time on the internet. You think you are better than your peers because they go about their happy day-to-day lives without realizing the deep, dark truths of the world that you have uncovered in the last 2 years while reading obscure blogs and sneaking schnapps from your parent's bar. On the weekends you go out and probably try to get people to buy you beer, then you play Xbox at your friend's house who's parents don't care enough to come check on your guys in the basement. You will go to a mid-range state school and major in liberal arts, after which you will work at Starbucks for several years until you have an epiphany and realize that you wasted most of your childhood years doing the above.

Am I in the ballpark?

You're nowhere close to being in the ballpark.

I've been going to the same liberal arts college since Fall 05, 3 months after I graduated high school. I should be graduating this Fall.
Doesn't my profile state my age? I'll check, but I thought I chose to change my age. If not, I'll show it.

 

[Patranus]

WWII:
FDR and an advisor had an 8 point plan to trick the Japanese into firing the first shot.

Because the extermination of an entire race of people isn't justification enough.

Then again, we all know how much the "progressive" hates Israel.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Not only was WWII just, but we should have gone to war without being attacked first. To let the Axis commit genocide and enslave Europe was deeply immoral.

Why am I not surprised that the right wing of this forum is suddenly so pro-fascist, pro-bigot, and pro-nazi that it is against our entry in WWII?

Yet we allied ourselves with the likes of Stalin, who was every bit as evil and prone to genocide as Hitler. Should we have fought both at the same time?

There is likely genocide going on in many places in the world right now. Should we intervene in their affairs or only when it happens in Europe?

Yes, Hitler was a major threat to the world, but IMO, we should have focused on Japan first. But, I cannot argue with results. We won and both evils were vanquished. However, the third evil, Stalin, still stood.

 

[RedChief]

Because the extermination of an entire race of people isn't justification enough.

Then again, we all know how much the "progressive" hates Israel.

Of course the Progressives believed in the same eugenics policies as the Nazis.