Not to turn this thread into what it might, but if humans followed the philosophy of being content we'd still be gathering nuts... I see your point but I am sure you would wish to make 20 an hour were it plausible
I completely agree...for all of our technological advancement and improved quality of life, I really don't think that your "average" person today is any happier or more well adjusted than they would have been 20,000 years ago. Sure, we live longer, have far fewer things to worry about, and experience a far broader range of things, but for whatever reason this doesn't seem to have much impact on raising the overall level of human contentedness the way you'd think it would...the human condition, go figure...
computer jobs don't pay poorly, support/admin/techie jobs do, if you want money in computers, you need to be a Programmer/Engineer...design stuff 
I may get to do some contract work in India in a couple of mo...should be a nice 6 mo vacation...plus double pay
I may get to do some contract work in India in a couple of mo...should be a nice 6 mo vacation...plus double pay
Originally posted by: gar3555
computer jobs don't pay poorly, support/admin/techie jobs do, if you want money in computers, you need to be a Programmer/Engineer...design stuff
I may get to do some contract work in India in a couple of mo...should be a nice 6 mo vacation...plus double pay
Agreed. Assuming you have one of the big three computer-related majors from a decent college, you can get a pretty hefty salary right out of college (no masters degree) working as some sort of software engineer/analyst.
a $20 / hr job is roughly a $40-42k / year job.
In the Washington D.C. area... those jobs are plentiful, but seemingly hard to come by..
That pay would roughly be equal to a junior level administrator, with an Associates degree, with some experience.. or someone with no experience and a BS degree..
On the technician level, you would have to be really good and know your $hit... something along the lines of Tier 2 support, with a 2 yr degree (preferred, but not a need).... or some certifications, with a few years experience....
When I out of the military, back in 2002, I got a job as a Level 1 Help Desk Technician for $35k / yearly.. I have no college.. just military experience..
In the Washington D.C. area... those jobs are plentiful, but seemingly hard to come by..
That pay would roughly be equal to a junior level administrator, with an Associates degree, with some experience.. or someone with no experience and a BS degree..
On the technician level, you would have to be really good and know your $hit... something along the lines of Tier 2 support, with a 2 yr degree (preferred, but not a need).... or some certifications, with a few years experience....
When I out of the military, back in 2002, I got a job as a Level 1 Help Desk Technician for $35k / yearly.. I have no college.. just military experience..
What do you think will a person get in the US at the age of about 27years freashly out of college possesing the following:
10+2:With 90% marks or higher in 10th and 12th with commerce (Business St,Eco,Maths,Accounts,eng) in class 11/12
BBA-Bachelor in Business Administration from Delhi University with good marks
MBA-Masters in Business Administation from IIM,India(if you are among the better guys)
CA-CHartered Accountant(If you are better than most people)
Diploma in Graphics/Web Designing or in Marketing/Advertising
Can such a person get 200-300 grands annually in US$?
10+2:With 90% marks or higher in 10th and 12th with commerce (Business St,Eco,Maths,Accounts,eng) in class 11/12
BBA-Bachelor in Business Administration from Delhi University with good marks
MBA-Masters in Business Administation from IIM,India(if you are among the better guys)
CA-CHartered Accountant(If you are better than most people)
Diploma in Graphics/Web Designing or in Marketing/Advertising
Can such a person get 200-300 grands annually in US$?
sourceninja
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20.00 an hour is high hopes for someone with no work exp or college exp to back them up. Unless of course you live in an area with a huge cost of living. But around here entry level tech jobs are 8-10.00 an hour and the average high level tech s (those with 4+ years exp or college) in the mid thirtys to low fortys. But 20.00 an hour is a lot of money around here for a single guy. My wife and I are very well off (in my opinion) we both work in the tech field and come in just under 110k a year. But both of us have 7+ years of professional exp.
What do you think will a person get in the US at the age of about 27years freashly out of college possesing the following:
10+2:With 90% marks or higher in 10th and 12th with commerce (Business St,Eco,Maths,Accounts,eng) in class 11/12
BBA-Bachelor in Business Administration from Delhi University with good marks
MBA-Masters in Business Administation from IIM,India(if you are among the better guys)
CA-CHartered Accountant(If you are better than most people)
Diploma in Graphics/Web Designing or in Marketing/Advertising
Can such a person get 200-300 grands annually in US$?
this is a different field
even in the beginning earns abt 200+usd nah?
Also,20$/hr is very very very less.
Assuming you work 8h / day , 5days a week,4 weeks/months,
20 X 8 X 5 X 4 = 3200$/month
abt 40 grands annually this is close to what a clerk earns
also, don't 1/100 ppl in us earn 1m$/annually.
10+2:With 90% marks or higher in 10th and 12th with commerce (Business St,Eco,Maths,Accounts,eng) in class 11/12
BBA-Bachelor in Business Administration from Delhi University with good marks
MBA-Masters in Business Administation from IIM,India(if you are among the better guys)
CA-CHartered Accountant(If you are better than most people)
Diploma in Graphics/Web Designing or in Marketing/Advertising
Can such a person get 200-300 grands annually in US$?
this is a different field
even in the beginning earns abt 200+usd nah?
Also,20$/hr is very very very less.
Assuming you work 8h / day , 5days a week,4 weeks/months,
20 X 8 X 5 X 4 = 3200$/month
abt 40 grands annually this is close to what a clerk earns
also, don't 1/100 ppl in us earn 1m$/annually.
$20 an hour is the pay a computer science student can earn in a summer internship. The pay goes up after graduation, of course.
$200,000-$300,000??? Heeell no. Much less than that. I would think even 100 grand would be a stretch. Around here (DC), someone fresh out of college can make, with an actual engineering degree (i.e. something a bit more substantial than web design/graphics), at most $60,000. A fair bit more if you have a masters. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I don't know the going rate for accountants/business majors, but I don't think it would be too much more than that and may even be less than engineering.
Check out that comparison of marketing/business/commerce types majors with engineering ones in the image here:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/15/pf/college/starting_salaries/
By graphics, did you mean like Photoshop and Maya type work? Or advanced computer graphics, things that involve extensive research, like raytracing.
bob4432
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the amount you stated covers your cost of living and you stated if you tightened your budget you could put some away, $20/hour (strictly based on area, but i am speaking in general terms, this does not apply for NY and parts of CA where you can't get illegals to work for much less than that) here is the same way. for a single person this allows you to live at about the median level, you are not rich, you are not poor. you can drive a reliable car, have a decent roof over your head and still put a litte away, but $20/hour is not getting you rich in the u.s. where the top 1% of wage earners make as much as the bottom 50%.
Experienced Database Administrator
Experienced Network Administrator
Good luck finding any starting job at $20.00 an Hour.
What makes you think you desrve it?
Have you got a PHD?
Experienced Network Administrator
Good luck finding any starting job at $20.00 an Hour.
What makes you think you desrve it?
Have you got a PHD?
What makes you think I shouldn't look for it if it were there?
Since I was 16 up until the current job I have I made 6.25 at a restaurant and 8.25 at a nutrition store, then it leapt to 30 an hour at my current job, (now going downhill), which I found after searching around a bit. If I thought I didn't 'deserve' to make more than a typical student's wages I wouldn't be posting this from my 4400+ system.
I make 10 an hour washing boats and I have a yr. left in college.
I will graduate with an associate in computer design and animation tech, bs in tech, and minor in graphic design. I have no idea wtf to go into.
I will graduate with an associate in computer design and animation tech, bs in tech, and minor in graphic design. I have no idea wtf to go into.
LOL, $200-300g's for someone fresh out of school is impossible. Even Harvard MBAs fresh out of school with little of a proven record wont get that kind of salary for a LONG time. It takes a lot of experience to demand such commanding salaries; yes, degrees help get you 'in' but if think you're up and above established clerks making 40k a year, then you better think again.
Yes, but those 1% sure as hell aren't business/accountant/marketing types, especially ones with no prior work experience. Maybe you should consider switching to baseball, American football, or big screen acting, those jobs are some of the few that actually pay what you seem to want.
I was working as a computer tech in Chicago for 2.5 years. Making >20/hr. And that was through temp contract agency, independently would be more.
Mkkay.. .so what year in college are you?
If you're anything less than a junior, I highly doubt anybody will pay you $30/hr to do any computer work... (hell..even $20)
Why?
Because there are thousands of other people who could/would do the same job for less.
With little/no programming experience, you are going to be outlcassed VERY quick. I've been doing C/C++ programming since I was 12... and I wouldn't even dream of getting a programming job - because that's what Comp Sci majors are for (not to mention that I would hate it), and any undergrad comp sci major will have more experience than me, and do it for around $10/hr, to boot!
You need some sort of qualifications to say that you deserve $30/hr. And if you have little/no programming experience, or no tech-support and/or user-end experience, you have very little to "sell". (I'm just assuming this... you may have more credit than I'm giving you, but you mentioned you are "willing to learn" programming, which leads me to beleive you don't have it down solid)
If you're a student, you should also remember that SCHOOL is your first priority. Take out loans, do whatever it takes to get good grades. You'll be happier with this, in the end.
If you're anything less than a junior, I highly doubt anybody will pay you $30/hr to do any computer work... (hell..even $20)
Why?
Because there are thousands of other people who could/would do the same job for less.
With little/no programming experience, you are going to be outlcassed VERY quick. I've been doing C/C++ programming since I was 12... and I wouldn't even dream of getting a programming job - because that's what Comp Sci majors are for (not to mention that I would hate it), and any undergrad comp sci major will have more experience than me, and do it for around $10/hr, to boot!
You need some sort of qualifications to say that you deserve $30/hr. And if you have little/no programming experience, or no tech-support and/or user-end experience, you have very little to "sell". (I'm just assuming this... you may have more credit than I'm giving you, but you mentioned you are "willing to learn" programming, which leads me to beleive you don't have it down solid)
If you're a student, you should also remember that SCHOOL is your first priority. Take out loans, do whatever it takes to get good grades. You'll be happier with this, in the end.
Biology major graduated this past year. I make $84K as a developer, plus side jobs. Of course, I've been in programming since 1997.
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