What to see in Singapore?

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Scrooge2

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Yes not everyone practices free speech expecially a lot of the eastern countries, we shouldnt think less of them because of it. They have traditions that extend back to dates with negative four digit numbers. All we can account of is about 300 years. We got a fresh start compared to other countries, a clean slate if you will. Not everyone else has the same blessings.

And you have people in this country with the right to free speech and don't use them. All they do is listen to what other people say and don't formulate their own ideas.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: pillage2001
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Scrooge2
To debunk the western ideas obout nazi states and poverty with prostitutes. Singapore is one of those highly westernized asian countries (as funny as thatmay sound). The country/city relies the bulk of its economy on foreign trade/agreements and sale/production of technology. Its one of those city/country deals, not sure if its a legitamate nation. People there speak Chinese and English. It's VERY safe to walk around at night and finding prostitutes are HIGHLY unlikely and the place is supposed to be beautiful, at least places of it are.

uh, all i know about singapore is that it's *not* really a democracy, they have nazi laws (how pathetic/barbaric is it to whip someone in modern society? You'd think such a modernized country would know better), and the government has a very tight control of what people say about it.

Not everyone practices free speech.

I don't care, it's a human right for free speech. When one practices free speech, should one be arrested?

just admit the fact that they have a nazi government with barbaric tactics. I'm sure Singaporeans are used to/don't even care about their freedom but i have no respect whatsoever for their government.

cruel and unusual punishment?

Hell, we should've invaded them for doing that to an American :D
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Scrooge2
Yes not everyone practices free speech expecially a lot of the eastern countries, we shouldnt think less of them because of it. They have traditions that extend back to dates with negative four digit numbers. All we can account of is about 300 years. We got a fresh start compared to other countries, a clean slate if you will. Not everyone else has the same blessings.

And you have people in this country with the right to free speech and don't use them. All they do is listen to what other people say and don't formulate their own ideas.

i dunno... US traditions are based in large part on english traditions and to a lesser extent french thought in the 1600s.

there was hardly anyone in singapore until raffles decided to put the east india company refueling station there.
 

Scrooge2

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I completely dissagree alphatarget1, if you're visiting another country you ought to at least respect the laws of a host country. You dont necessarily have to agree with it. Just because we're americans doesn't make us godly and everyone has to bow down to us wherever we tred in the world.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: Scrooge2
I completely dissagree alphatarget1, if you're visiting another country you ought to at least respect the laws of a host country. You dont necessarily have to agree with it. Just because we're americans doesn't make us godly and everyone has to bow down to us wherever we tred in the world.

which part(s) are you disagreeing with? I'm saying their laws are barbaric, I'm not respecting them as a government because they're nazis and i'm never going to visit some countries with a nazi/barbaric government and i strongly discourage anyone from going there because of their government. since when did i say "just because we're americans doesn't make us godly and everyone has to bow down to us whever we tred in the world"?

with that said, im not really contributing to this thread now so i'll shut up :p
 

Banana

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Scrooge2
To debunk the western ideas obout nazi states and poverty with prostitutes. Singapore is one of those highly westernized asian countries (as funny as thatmay sound). The country/city relies the bulk of its economy on foreign trade/agreements and sale/production of technology. Its one of those city/country deals, not sure if its a legitamate nation. People there speak Chinese and English. It's VERY safe to walk around at night and finding prostitutes are HIGHLY unlikely and the place is supposed to be beautiful, at least places of it are.

uh, all i know about singapore is that it's *not* really a democracy, they have nazi laws (how pathetic/barbaric is it to whip someone in modern society? You'd think such a modernized country would know better), and the government has a very tight control of what people say about it.
Of course it's a legitimate country--
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It's very dangerous to throw the "N" word. Nazism has very specific connotations that do not apply to Singapore. I think Singapore's unique situation led to a very interesting social experiment that appears to have greatly succeeded. Think of all the "Third World" nations that gained independence after WW2. There are very few, if any (!), that have reached the same heights as Singapore.

When full independence was achieved in 1965, there were many serious obstacles:
1) Tiny, Chinese-majority nation surrounded by Muslim nations (Indonesia, flirting with Soviet Union at the time, is too close for comfort)
2) Communist activity (Inside the country, as well as outside, e.g. Vietnam was destabilizing the region)
3) No natural resources--The country even needs to buy water from Malaysia!
4) Racial tensions--Race riots galore!
5) Strategic maritime location that the superpowers coveted. (This was a good thing that I'm sure was one reason why the USA and Singapore are strong allies)

I don't think that a true democracy would have worked in this setting. Chaos would have ensued, with probable takeover by a neighboring country. The leadership chose to go with a quasi-democracy with a benign dictator. Citizens were free to go about their business as long as they don't break certain common-sense rules that result in harsh punishments. The Chinese leadership also made it a point to have minorities in prominent roles--at one time, the country's (mostly ceremonial) president was Malay!

I'm not saying that I approve of Singapore's style of gov't, just that it was needed to get the country established. Think of it as a very mild form of martial law.
 

nicowju

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oh yea how could I forgot Changi village :)
Definitely eat at hawker centers (it's an experience, and the food's probably some of the best you'll find around)
Dragon park?