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Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

 

takeru

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Jan 1, 2002
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Originally posted by: Zebo
I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

but is it enough for zombies?
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.

No lie, I loled.

Where do you live, city or county and where the hell are you storing 500 gallons of diesel?!

My end of the world kit is mostly my acebic wit, I'm afraid.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Countryish. I have 5 acres with pond - 4 miles from a town of 80K. In a tank underground.

All you really need to be is healthy and in shape. Without medicines about 1/4 of pop will die off and another 1/4 in running from zombies of heart attack. Guns and goods will be everywhere after that.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: Zebo
I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

but is it enough for zombies?

Reminds me I got to check my Aimpoint batteries :p
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Countryish. I have 5 acres with pond - 4 miles from a town of 80K. In a tank underground.

All you really need to be is healthy and in shape. Without medicines about 1/4 of pop will die off and another 1/4 in running from zombies of heart attack. Guns and goods will be everywhere after that.
I agree I think that when they come a lot of people will be messed up without their meds and lacking the constitution to really make it through the first wave or two as it crosses the nation. Living in a city is a huge liability. Unfortunately most of us do.

Be sure to check out the SAS survival guide (amazon). I'd say next thing to commit to memory is a medical reference guide, because that's not something you'll have time to learn while tending to a gunshot wound from a bandit.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Zebo
Countryish. I have 5 acres with pond - 4 miles from a town of 80K. In a tank underground.

All you really need to be is healthy and in shape. Without medicines about 1/4 of pop will die off and another 1/4 in running from zombies of heart attack. Guns and goods will be everywhere after that.
I agree I think that when they come a lot of people will be messed up without their meds and lacking the constitution to really make it through the first wave or two as it crosses the nation. Living in a city is a huge liability. Unfortunately most of us do.

Be sure to check out the SAS survival guide (amazon). I'd say next thing to commit to memory is a medical reference guide, because that's not something you'll have time to learn while tending to a gunshot wound from a bandit.

I lived in cities all my life, I mean concrete jungle like SoCal, no thanks. Just got this house in 07 so not long. Got out at right time on multiple levels.

You're right I have been neglecting First aid. I can do stitches, mouth to mouth and stuff, done em, but more invasive techniques I need to learn. Please keep in mind I don't take it too seriously - just another hedge - mainly those are investments I mean ammo and coins and such. I have a diesel truck so I fill from home exchanging all the time (cheaper too ;)) We camp because I'm too cheap for a trailer which would only get used 3x a year so sleeping bags and most of the other stuff is required to camp.
 

nCred

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Oct 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: Acanthus
They are borrowing the money, not printing it.

Prices were artificially high already, we wont see hyperinflation.

who the hell is lending us $1.5T in the past 6 months for the combined stimumus packages?!

The USA makes about $2T/year. Our econ is greater than the entire world combined.

so if our income is $2T, and all other countries combined is less than that, then where are we borrowing $1.5T from?!
hmm..

World $ 70,650,000,000,000 2008 est.
United States $ 14,580,000,000,000 2008 est.
 

Homerboy

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Mar 1, 2000
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Originally posted by: TallBill
So you're smart enough to predict inflation, but you don't know what to invest in? Hmmm.

This is what I thought too... another great JEDI thread.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Survival on a budget.

Attitude Free - like anything in life it all starts there - positive attitude is important to success, and all suvival manuals stress it makes the difference between living or dying! Never quit. Never give up. Always look at things half full!

Health Free- Again if we truley get into a SHTF scenario medicines will not be around so you taking insulin or heart medicine you're in big trouble. And the exercise part is good for you no matter what, SHTF or Not. Live longer feel better, sleep better, have more energy etc - and will be crucial in survival situation where foraging for food, planting food or running from predators two legged and four will pay big dividends.

A good water proof Sleeping bag $100 - When grid shuts down, you have no idea how cold world gets - In a true survival situation, most people die because of hypothermia, not because of lack of water or food. You don't want to build fires for warmth, alerts zombies to your presence, and is a waste of energy that could be used for food acquisition.

A Rugar 10/22 and 2000 rounds ammo $300 - Can kill small game for protein and Keep Zombies at bay one per family is fine.

A knife and first aid kit $50 -

One month supply of food $150-$250 per person - It's better not to have to worry about food right away when SHTF

Peers FREE - Groups of people provide security and emotional support in many ways - You are going to have to be with honest and trustworthy people who help each other out in order to survive. No Robinson Crusoe - you won't make it.


 

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No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Survival on a budget.

Attitude Free - like anything in life it all starts there - positive attitude is important to success, and all suvival manuals stress it makes the difference between living or dying! Never quit. Never give up. Always look at things half full!

Health Free- Again if we truley get into a SHTF scenario medicines will not be around so you taking insulin or heart medicine you're in big trouble. And the exercise part is good for you no matter what, SHTF or Not. Live longer feel better, sleep better, have more energy etc - and will be crucial in survival situation where foraging for food, planting food or running from predators two legged and four will pay big dividends.

A good water proof Sleeping bag $100 - When grid shuts down, you have no idea how cold world gets - In a true survival situation, most people die because of hypothermia, not because of lack of water or food. You don't want to build fires for warmth, alerts zombies to your presence, and is a waste of energy that could be used for food acquisition.

A Rugar 10/22 and 2000 rounds ammo $300 - Can kill small game for protein and Keep Zombies at bay one per family is fine.

A knife and first aid kit $50 -

One month supply of food $150-$250 per person - It's better not to have to worry about food right away when SHTF

Peers FREE - Groups of people provide security and emotional support in many ways - You are going to have to be with honest and trustworthy people who help each other out in order to survive. No Robinson Crusoe - you won't make it.
This is a good post. I think a great source of a staple is bulk-bought protein powder. Check out DPSNutrition.com and buy a 10lb tub with a very long shelf life for $65. Canned goods of course, but ultimately you'll want to buy things that are part of your regular cycle. No point in having 6 months supply of food that you don't need until the SHTF and it's 2020 and the stuff is rotten. Stick to your regulars so that you can cycle out the stuff before it gets old.

I would like to add to your weapon selection with a shotgun. When it goes down, it won't be long before all game of any significance is gone, and you won't be taking out an airborne crow with a pistol or rifle, so you want a shotgun for that.

You'll want batteries and some radios. I think an electronics knowledge or at least solid reference guide is key, too.

Groups of people are important, and you don't want to be in a city. When it happens NYC, Chicago, the people there are frigging doomed, especially apartment dwellers. Befriend somebody who lives on a farm or out in the sticks and when you show up at their door with the bombs dropping be sure your trunk is full so that you can buy your way into the house. When you start unpacking your gear, enough food for a platoon, and crates full of batteries they'll know you are for real and welcome you with open arms.

 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Gold won't work. During the depression, the government bought all the citizen-owned gold at a fixed price and made it illegal to have it. So, food and ammo.

Invest in ammunition/weapon manufacturers?
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: Zebo
I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

but is it enough for zombies?

I believe 22lr will be plenty for zombies. Light, portable, plentiful.

See here for lethality:
http://www.snipershide.com/for...showflat&Number=503007
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Zebo
Survival on a budget.

Attitude Free - like anything in life it all starts there - positive attitude is important to success, and all suvival manuals stress it makes the difference between living or dying! Never quit. Never give up. Always look at things half full!

Health Free- Again if we truley get into a SHTF scenario medicines will not be around so you taking insulin or heart medicine you're in big trouble. And the exercise part is good for you no matter what, SHTF or Not. Live longer feel better, sleep better, have more energy etc - and will be crucial in survival situation where foraging for food, planting food or running from predators two legged and four will pay big dividends.

A good water proof Sleeping bag $100 - When grid shuts down, you have no idea how cold world gets - In a true survival situation, most people die because of hypothermia, not because of lack of water or food. You don't want to build fires for warmth, alerts zombies to your presence, and is a waste of energy that could be used for food acquisition.

A Rugar 10/22 and 2000 rounds ammo $300 - Can kill small game for protein and Keep Zombies at bay one per family is fine.

A knife and first aid kit $50 -

One month supply of food $150-$250 per person - It's better not to have to worry about food right away when SHTF

Peers FREE - Groups of people provide security and emotional support in many ways - You are going to have to be with honest and trustworthy people who help each other out in order to survive. No Robinson Crusoe - you won't make it.
This is a good post. I think a great source of a staple is bulk-bought protein powder. Check out DPSNutrition.com and buy a 10lb tub with a very long shelf life for $65. Canned goods of course, but ultimately you'll want to buy things that are part of your regular cycle. No point in having 6 months supply of food that you don't need until the SHTF and it's 2020 and the stuff is rotten. Stick to your regulars so that you can cycle out the stuff before it gets old.

I would like to add to your weapon selection with a shotgun. When it goes down, it won't be long before all game of any significance is gone, and you won't be taking out an airborne crow with a pistol or rifle, so you want a shotgun for that.

You'll want batteries and some radios. I think an electronics knowledge or at least solid reference guide is key, too.

Groups of people are important, and you don't want to be in a city. When it happens NYC, Chicago, the people there are frigging doomed, especially apartment dwellers. Befriend somebody who lives on a farm or out in the sticks and when you show up at their door with the bombs dropping be sure your trunk is full so that you can buy your way into the house. When you start unpacking your gear, enough food for a platoon, and crates full of batteries they'll know you are for real and welcome you with open arms.

Good thoughts I'll just mod slightly for cost and utility considerations

Birds do land, all the time :p - shooting on a wire/ground won't make get you arrested in a SHTF scenario. Nothing wrong with Shotgun but pricy is all- for example I bought 250 shells 12ga 6 shot (10 boxes) cost $98 compare that to 22LR 525 rounds for $16. 1/10th the cost!!

I prefer those wind up & inertia radios and LED flashlights - batteries are too heavy and go bad quick especially if you don't keep them dry or leave them on ground or get them hot.

I like the idea of protien drinks but pricey to feed family with them.
*Beans and rice are cheap and keep almost forever if stored right. Can eat for $40 a month on beans and rice!
*Canned foods will be good like you say, last about three years depending what it is. Only issue is weight/calories ratio should you have to move.
* Peanut butter is the best all round survival food. Keeps 2 years. Don't have to prepare it and it's loaded with protein, carbs and fats. Very high weight/calories ratio






 

theeedude

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Feb 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Acanthus
They are borrowing the money, not printing it.
Prices were artificially high already, we wont see hyperinflation.

Until you borrow so much that the only way to repay it is to print money. Rest of the world is starting to balk at buying treasuries, but Federal reserve is saying it will pick up the slack.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: Zebo
I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

but is it enough for zombies?

I believe 22lr will be plenty for zombies. Light, portable, plentiful.

See here for lethality:
http://www.snipershide.com/for...showflat&Number=503007

Everything I've read says the same thing. If you have a 338 lapua targeting you you''re screwed no matter what - but anything within FBI statistical firefight distances (2-7 yards) a 22LR semi-auto will work just as good for 1/50th the cost.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Zebo
I prefer those wind up & inertia radios and LED flashlights - batteries are too heavy and go bad quick especially if you don't keep them dry or leave them on ground or get them hot.

I like the idea of protien drinks but pricey to feed family with them.
*Beans and rice are cheap and keep almost forever if stored right. Can eat for $40 a month on beans and rice!
*Canned foods will be good like you say, last about three years depending what it is. Only issue is weight/calories ratio should you have to move.
* Peanut butter is the best all round survival food. Keeps 2 years. Don't have to prepare it and it's loaded with protein, carbs and fats. Very high weight/calories ratio
Are those windup electronics robust? That's my concern about them.

Thanks for the food tips. We don't eat much rice/beans, so I think it's not part of my regular cycle when I was researching long-life foods last year. I'm on board with peanut butter, the stuff is fantastic and extremely cheap. Last time I bought some I grabbed 16 lbs of it.

 

SunnyD

Belgian Waffler
Jan 2, 2001
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www.neftastic.com
Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: Zebo
I stock the following in my TEOTWAWKI kit
6 warm sleeping bags
Knives (2 Kabars)
500 gallons of diesel for generator
Seeds of all type
The encyclopedia of country living
Army survival manual - have it to memory
6 months supply of dry food
Full medical kit
Full tackle box
40,000 rounds of ammo + firearms, 10000 is just 22LR to shoot geese and such - cool thing about 22LR is they stay there and let you shoot them one by one. I even seen one try to screw a dead one after I shot it.
20 - $20 Liberty's
$1000 loose silver

but is it enough for zombies?

Screw the zombies... what about the raptors??!
 

mchammer187

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Nov 26, 2000
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if you are really serious you should run up your debt as high as you can get it and invest it

the easiest way would be a house since you will have an easier time paying it off with high inflation combined with the relatively low interest rates available now
 

dullard

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May 21, 2001
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August 2008 CPI (consumer price index): 0.4% LOWER than July 2008
Sept 2008 CPI: 0.14% LOWER than Aug 2008
Oct 2008 CPI: 1.01% LOWER than Sept 2008
Nov 2008 CPI: 1.92% LOWER than Oct 2008
Dec 2008 CPI: 1.03% LOWER than Nov 2008

This was the first string of 5 monthly price DROPS since the 1930-1933 period (deflation in the depression).

Prices dropped 4.4% on average from July 2008 to Dec 2008.

The last three monthly price drops (all over 1%) were the biggest since the 1.55% drop in Feb 1933.

Economy Feb, 2009

Sure sounds like inflation to me. :confused:
 

Acanthus

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Aug 28, 2001
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We are in a state of freefall deflation.

Business turned the screws too tight on prices and the money stopped flowing.

Now inventories are piling up (which is fucking expensive) and they are slashing prices to get the shit moving out the door.