What To Do About The Religious Right?

[Craig234]

I don't think Americans really get it that the partnership is well organized and systematic. The amount of money flowing into faith based orgs represents a corresponding drop in the funding for education and other social spending. Defund the 'left' and pour money into the right.

Churches are the year round mobilizing centers which many secular moderates and leftists have failed to recognize in time. Sermons are word for word repeats from right wing organs for propaganda.

Not doing anything about it is allowing hundreds of millions or billions? of govt spending going to those orgs are just fine. The OP correctly contrasts the Goldwater conservatives who eschew govt meddling vs the religious types who welcome the river of money they are receiving.

You're right. I could suggest reading on the topic for people, but almost no one cares.

Those two groups are very different - but united simply in a desire to take power.

You're also right about their being effective - a cartoon wealthy maniac getting 47% of the vote against Obama, scandal-free, recovering from the economic crisis, killing bin Laden...

That's just nuts. It should have been a blowout for Obama if we didn't have a big problem.

 

[bononos]

You're right. I could suggest reading on the topic for people, but almost no one cares.

Those two groups are very different - but united simply in a desire to take power.

You're also right about their being effective - a cartoon wealthy maniac getting 47% of the vote against Obama, scandal-free, recovering from the economic crisis, killing bin Laden...

That's just nuts. It should have been a blowout for Obama if we didn't have a big problem.

What's your reading list? I've gone thru quite a few which touch the issue but only God's politics by Jim Wallis and Kingdom Come which are focused on it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know they take it Personally, I've had people almost cry because I pointed out some fundamental flaws in their Belief. Accusing me of calling them "Morons", "Idiots", or some other derogatory term when I did no such thing. They clearly live under an oppressive mindset that shelters the Individual Person from outside ideas and when they hear contrary information it causes them to emotionally react in unpredictable ways.

That said, once they have heard those ideas, they can not unhear them. A seed has been planted, as it were, let it take the time it needs and often enough it will affect the person toward the positive.

The science as I understand it indicates that the conservative mind believes more deeply the more it's delusions are challenged

 

[Moonbeam]

I think it's fair to say that if you attack anyone's beliefs, you are not going to be popular with them.

It may sound fair but the science as I understand it says this is more true of conservatives than liberals, that liberals in fact are open to challenges to their beliefs, that they do not experience it as a challenge to their egos to the extent that conservatives do.

The data suggests that conservatives have defects in the way they reason they will not admit to but project outward and actually accusing liberals of having those defects. Then they bubble in a group of us vs them in an altered reality and feed and support and reinforce those delusions as if they were real.

These are scientific facts.

 

[Craig234]

What's your reading list? I've gone thru quite a few which touch the issue but only God's politics by Jim Wallis and Kingdom Come which are focused on it.

Here's one book for a start:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15228489/...rmann/t/book-says-bush-just-using-christians/

It's by the former religious leader brought in when the office was opened, who provides pretty strong condemnations of how it was done.