what to buy: Lincoln LS vs. Maxima

[HappyGamer2]

there is very little demand for a manual tanny in a car like the LS. I don't have any actual figures, but I wouldn't be surprised that less than 10 percent of LS sold have manuals. I hear caddy may not have a manual tranny in it's up coming v8 rwd car for the same reason. no sales

some fords suck, but I have never had a bad one, ever car company has made lemons.

I have owned 3 cougars, a 92, a 93 and a 95. I wouldn't buy the last fwd small cougar's there not very good cars.
I bought the 92 and 93 new. I still have the 95. The 93 was the best car I ever owned, it was loaded 5.0 V8 , abs , full leather , posi rear end. I sold it with 180,000 miles on it. I still got 3000 dollars with that many miles on it, and kinda wish I still had it.

I also have a mercury Grand marquis, a loaded 94 with 146K miles, it's been a good car, and I like it.

another great car I had was 1980 chrysler new yorker 5 ave, with a 360 V8. I dumped it at about 200K
my first car was a 1970 ford mavierick, it was a good car also

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
there is very little demand for a manual tanny in a car like the LS. I don't have any actual figures, but I wouldn't be surprised that less than 10 percent of LS sold have manuals. I hear caddy may not have a manual tranny in it's up coming v8 rwd car for the same reason. no sales

There are no sales because they aren't offered with the V8s. People buy BMWs in top trim with manuals, they buy Maximas with manuals, why wouldn't they want a V8 with a manual?

 

[Ladies Man]

even if they were offered the sales wouldn't overcome the costs that is added to develop a manual for the car, and run a different line to add it in

 

[HappyGamer2]

the people whom buy LS are not the same people whom buy BMW's, plus many bmw's are 6 cylinders.
plus how many BMW's are really sold in the USA?

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Ladies Man
even if they were offered the sales wouldn't overcome the costs that is added to develop a manual for the car, and run a different line to add it in

At least not until Lincoln starts pulling in some younger buyers/enthusiasts, who are more inclined to want a manual. They're on the right track, but they're not there yet.

 

[Ladies Man]

Lincoln isn't made for younger buyers
Lincoln is the higher end of ford, cost to much for younger buyers in most cases so the car isn't built geared toward younger buyers.

 

[nakedfrog]

Go Lincoln.
Been driving a 77 Merc Grand Marquis for over a year now with absolutely NO problems. Only cost me $350 too

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Lincoln isn't made for younger buyers
Lincoln is the higher end of ford, cost to much for younger buyers in most cases so the car isn't built geared toward younger buyers.

I don't mean people in their 20s... I mean people in their 40s who right now are buying BMW, Lexus and Mercedes, but ignoring Lincoln (and Buick and Cadillac) because they have "stodgy" images and have historically put out luxo-boats.

All three companies are trying to attract a younger customer base with new products, advertising, etc.

 

[HappyGamer2]

I often think Ford should have made a another car on the LS chassis, a ford model that would be more sporty, less fancy and cost about 10 grand less.
it would have added volume to the production lines without adding huge cost.

one of the best buys right now on new car is the mercury grand marquis, 20 to 25 K . go drive one and consider all the car your getting for the money

mercury GM test report

 

[vi edit]

One thing to keep in mind - the LS is a RWD car. If you are used to driving FWD and AWD vehicles, then it will hande QUITE differently in poor weather conditions.

Just something to point out.....

 

[Ladies Man]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: Ladies Man
Lincoln isn't made for younger buyers
Lincoln is the higher end of ford, cost to much for younger buyers in most cases so the car isn't built geared toward younger buyers.

I don't mean people in their 20s... I mean people in their 40s who right now are buying BMWs and Mercedes, but ignoring Lincoln (and Buick and Cadillac) because they have "stodgy" images and have historically put out luxo-boats.

All three companies are trying to attract a younger customer base with new products, advertising, etc.

Those people will buy a Jaguar... also owned by ford

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: bunker

Oh, and Bender, that little bolt that wasn't torqued properly can cause separation of the ball joint in the front suspension. It isn't just "some bolt."

First off, it's bunker, not Bender. Secondly, it was in the steering column, not the front suspension.

I would stop with the assumptions.

Sorry I got your handle wrong, but do you honestly think you won this argument because there are so many recalls that I got them confused? How does that make things better? The recall I mentioned is real.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
I often think Ford should have made a another car on the LS chassis, a ford model that would be more sporty, less fancy and cost about 10 grand less.
it would have added volume to the production lines without adding huge cost.

one of the best buys right now on new car is the mercury grand marquis, 20 to 25 K . go drive one and consider all the car your getting for the money

<a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge target=blank href="http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/mercury/grandmarquis/100075590/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=76640&tid=edmunds.e.firstdrive.content...Mercury*">mercury GM test report</a>

They are getting ready to build exactly what you want. The next mustang is going to be built on the LS chassis.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
I often think Ford should have made a another car on the LS chassis, a ford model that would be more sporty, less fancy and cost about 10 grand less.
it would have added volume to the production lines without adding huge cost.

one of the best buys right now on new car is the mercury grand marquis, 20 to 25 K . go drive one and consider all the car your getting for the money

They are getting ready to build exactly what you want. The next mustang is going to be built on the LS chassis.

I believe the Thunderbird also shares the platform (not that it's cheap or high-volume).

 

[HappyGamer2]

that will do (mustang), but a four door would be nice too

yes the thunderbird is a 2 door LS with different sheetmetal and interior, not enough room and too much money

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
PG don't be a moron. I can go find you recalls from ALL Manufactures that sound REALLY bad. Do you really want me to start doing that? Cars that catch fire, breaks that can fail. There are all kinds of potential problems from ANY manufacture. When you're building cars that have literally 10's of thousands of components, you expect there to be problems. Especially with a new car.


I can also show you recalls and problems with Intel and AMD. So I guess you can't buy either one of those chips because their makers had problems. Well damn you're screwed aren't you. Time to buy Via!!!

Try it, start searching and see what you come up with. I can do some searches for Ford recalls and problems and the list would be a mile long. Also, the problems aren't just minor as would be the case with some other automakers.
In just the Focus alone there have been recalls for things like the wheels could fall off, possible smoke/fire from under the hood, cruise control sticking on, airbags deploying at the wrong time for no reason, the steering wheel could come off, etc. Those are not minor issues.
The Escape is also based on the Focus platform. Ford issued at least 4 emergency stop sales on that one to get some of these recall issues in check.
For other Ford problems do a search, go to flamingfords.com. Ford made millions of cars and trucks with ignition switches that can cause fires.
Remember the problems with the 3.8 V6 head gasket in the mid 90's? How about all the failing Taurus transmissions from the late 80's and early to mid 90's?
Ford has a history of major problems for decades. Maybe you guys are just to young to have lived through this stuff.
Here are some nice numbers on fires just to put things into perspective:
http://www.safetyforum.com/fordfires/

 

[Soybomb]

My family drives all domestics. My dad works at a parts counter in a ford dealership. Its a dealership in southern illinois where trucks and things do way better as sellers than luxury sedans. He said its replacement parts for the LS that he probably orders the most frequently of anything. They're always in the shop there. Personally thats enough to keep us from ever buying one, but its just what we've seen here.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: PG

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
PG don't be a moron. I can go find you recalls from ALL Manufactures that sound REALLY bad. Do you really want me to start doing that? Cars that catch fire, breaks that can fail. There are all kinds of potential problems from ANY manufacture. When you're building cars that have literally 10's of thousands of components, you expect there to be problems. Especially with a new car.


I can also show you recalls and problems with Intel and AMD. So I guess you can't buy either one of those chips because their makers had problems. Well damn you're screwed aren't you. Time to buy Via!!!

Try it, start searching and see what you come up with. I can do some searches for Ford recalls and problems and the list would be a mile long. Also, the problems aren't just minor as would be the case with some other automakers.
In just the Focus alone there have been recalls for things like the wheels could fall off, possible smoke/fire from under the hood, cruise control sticking on, airbags deploying at the wrong time for no reason, the steering wheel could come off, etc. Those are not minor issues.
The Escape is also based on the Focus platform. Ford issued at least 4 emergency stop sales on that one to get some of these recall issues in check.
For other Ford problems do a search, go to flamingfords.com. Ford made millions of cars and trucks with ignition switches that can cause fires.
Remember the problems with the 3.8 V6 head gasket in the mid 90's? How about all the failing Taurus transmissions from the late 80's and early to mid 90's?
Ford has a history of major problems for decades. Maybe you guys are just to young to have lived through this stuff.
Here are some nice numbers on fires just to put things into perspective:
http://www.safetyforum.com/fordfires/

When are you going to post something relevant to the LS?

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: PG

Originally posted by: toant103

Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I am shopping for a three or so year old mid size sedan. I was pretty much set on 1999/2000 Maxima, but then also started considering LS. LS has pretty decent reviews and definitely offers more luxury. Also, used, it is same or even cheaper than Maxima. However, Maxima has better than average reliability, while LS has just average. But I do feel that LS is a better deal for the money.

What do You think?

Lincoln=Ford


that is all

Exactly, Quality is NOT Job 1 at Ford. Go with any other alternative.

More anti-Ford tools

Aston Martin = Ford


My vote is for the LS. 5-speed manual, of course.

 

[kmac1914]

I LOVE the Lincoln LS. When i get out of college, i plan to get around an 03 or later ....just something about how its designed. My vote goes to the LS

 

[Acanthus]

MAXIMA!!

 

[HappyGamer2]

does it have to be a four door?
if not go find a 92 -97 V8 cougar or T-bird that is loaded with low milage in great condition. there out there yet, these are far better cars than a LS, less problems and much cheaper to fix.