What the hell?! wheres the plane?!

[etech]

I would not be surprised to find out that the people behind this fabrication are the same ones that tried to say that the Israelis were behind the attacks.

I am all for being skeptical and making sure that the government is being honest. There is a point beyond that which falls into the realm of aiding and abetting the enemy.

With all of the evidence out there on this incident, I consider this to be the latter.


That is all.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Go look at plane crash photos. This was anything a dink crash. 300+ mph into a concrete wall. There would most likely be 100% destruction of the plane.

I'm not saying that it vaporizes, there may be large chunks left, but nothing like an engine just laying around. I'll see if i can find some photos.

 

[db]

If you look at the volume of an aircraft, it's composed mostly of what? --> Empty space.
Most of the plane is empty space: the cabin, the cargo bins, and when they're not holding fuel, the wings.
When something hits a solid object at high speed, major destruction happens. Big pieces become very small pieces.
Flamable things burn away. And when the temperature is high enough, even metal burns away.

Everybody knows what happens when a toy truck runs into a wall of wood blocks, or if a car hits a tree;
but how many people have knowledge and experience of what happens when objects hundreds of feet in size
impact at hundreds of miles per hour?

 

[kgraeme]

This isn't even funny. A passenger plane did hit the Pentagon. People died. I have family in the D.C. area and know people who actually saw the collision. One person was stuck in traffic and on the phone to his wife. He was telling his wife that a plane was coming straight at him and next thing she heard was an explosion. She thought her husband might be dead. He actually saw the faces of the people in the windows of the plane.

This isn't funny at all.

 

[CalamitousSoul]

<< You must have missed how they just finished reenforcing the building. Enough with these conspiracy sites, too much time on their hands... >>


Understandable, But take a look at the last pic link #2.... Where the hell is the plane at? if it hit the side where did it go? Really.....

 

[CalamitousSoul]

<< This isn't even funny. A passenger plane did hit the Pentagon. People died. I have family in the D.C. area and know people who actually saw the collision. One person was stuck in traffic and on the phone to his wife. He was telling his wife that a plane was coming straight at him and next thing she heard was an explosion. She thought her husband might be dead. He actually saw the faces of the people in the windows of the plane.

This isn't funny at all. >>



I feel you on this one. But really, where is the plane? That sucks that it just vanished.

 

[crab]

It blew the fack up then melted! What more do you want?

 

[MrDingleDangle]

<< This isn't even funny. A passenger plane did hit the Pentagon. People died. I have family in the D.C. area and know people who actually saw the collision. One person was stuck in traffic and on the phone to his wife. He was telling his wife that a plane was coming straight at him and next thing she heard was an explosion. She thought her husband might be dead. He actually saw the faces of the people in the windows of the plane.

This isn't funny at all. >>



i agree...i dont understand what these people are trying to prove? there is no ? that a plane hit the building

 

[Linflas]

Another thing to keep in mind is the size of this building. 25,000 people work in it and it is almost a 1 mile walk around the outermost ring. I was fortunate enough to have worked in the Pentagon for a year and it is really a pretty interesting building.

 

[aphex]

I refuse to read a webpage that goes.... *GASP* sideways...

 

[KokomoGST]

<<

• Dee plane, dee plane! :Q

>>

ROTFL! Exactly what I was thinking of...

 

[fleshconsumed]

kgraeme
He actually saw the faces of the people in the windows of the plane.
lol lol lol.... ten times lol...

Can anybody here actually believe that one can see ppl' faces from that distance?

burnedout
On either TLC or Discovery, they showed an F-4 crashing into a concrete wall at 450 MPH. Even without fuel, the aircraft completely disintegrated
I'v seen it, but don't forget that F4 was smashed against concrete 9-feet thick wall, where did you find 9feet deep walls in pentagon? At the very most they are 10 to 20 inches thick and don't forget that pentagon walls are not concrete - there are made from blocks and there are windows in them which violated their integrity, which, in turn, makes it much easier to penetrate (by plane) them than that wall in the movie you were talking about. Second, B-757 is no F-4, how much does F-4 weighs? I don't reaaly know, but it's obvious that its weigh is no near that of B-757...

 

[burnedout]

I'v seen it, but don't forget that F4 was smashed against concrete 9-feet thick wall, where did you find 9feet deep walls in pentagon? At the very most they are 10 to 20 inches thick and don't forget that pentagon walls are not concrete - there are made from blocks and there are windows in them which violated their integrity, which, in turn, makes it much easier to penetrate (by plane) them than that wall in the movie you were talking about. Second, B-757 is no F-4, how much does F-4 weighs? I don't reaaly know, but it's obvious that its weigh is no near B-757th...

That's right. And it penetrated four inches of concrete.

 

[Zorba]

<< On either TLC or Discovery, they showed an F-4 crashing into a concrete wall at 450 MPH. Even without fuel, the aircraft completely disintegrated. >>



The wall that it hit was built the same way a nuclear reactor containment wall is built. Those walls are built to take the impact of a 747 without breaking. That is what the F-4 crash test was about. I doubt that the pentagon was built that strongly. But the point does still remain.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

<< kgraeme
He actually saw the faces of the people in the windows of the plane.
lol lol lol.... ten times lol...

Can anybody here actually believe that one can see ppl' faces from that distance?

burnedout
On either TLC or Discovery, they showed an F-4 crashing into a concrete wall at 450 MPH. Even without fuel, the aircraft completely disintegrated
I'v seen it, but don't forget that F4 was smashed against concrete 9-feet thick wall, where did you find 9feet deep walls in pentagon? At the very most they are 10 to 20 inches thick and don't forget that pentagon walls are not concrete - there are made from blocks and there are windows in them which violated their integrity, which, in turn, makes it much easier to penetrate (by plane) them than that wall in the movie you were talking about. Second, B-757 is no F-4, how much does F-4 weighs? I don't reaaly know, but it's obvious that its weigh is no near that of B-757... >>



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[fleshconsumed]

@burnedout
That's right. And it penetrated four inches of concrete.
Just like I said, pentagon walls are made from blocks and they have windows, which makes them much more vulnerable to stress, if this is so hard to believe, i'll get you some examples.

1.In 194.... whatever (don't remember the exact date)... a plane, while flying in the fog, crashed in Empire State Building; what's more important - one of the engines penetrated wall and crashed the elevator shaft... So why Pentagon walls where the B757th engines were supposed to struck, aren't damaged?
2.Another example is a small one-engine plane, that crashed 2 months ago here in Illinois; this private plane which was no more than 20 feet in length managed to penetrate the wall of a condominimum building; the effect of B757 striking the Pentagon should have been much worse.
3.You might have seen the footage of B757 hitting one of the WTC towers? Well, watch it again - the plane went through the building like knife through butter - you could actually see the plane debris flying out of the opposite side of the building...

So, my point is that there should have been much more damage to the Pentagon, and there should have been some debris left on the site...

@MrDingleDangle
Moron yourself, or say something smart for once in your whole life...

 

[burnedout]

But the point does still remain

Of course the point still remains. Just consider these two aspects. The plane weighed ~ 90,100 kg and was travelling at ~144 m/s. Can you imagine the force on impact?

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[burnedout]

So, my point is that there should have been much more damage to the Pentagon, and there should have been some debris left on the site...

The density of the Pentagon was greater and the elasticity less.

 

[db]

Belief is a powerful thing. More powerful than reason.

 

[juiio]

For those of you that actually still believe the crap on that website, think about this. Four planes crashed. No one is disputing that, including the families of those onboard the plane that hit the Pentagon. If the plane DIDN'T hit the Pentagon, where did it crash? Common sense, people.

 

[Sepen]

<< It blew the fack up then melted! What more do you want? >>




He wants more proof than eyewintness's, radar, death, cell calls from the plane and destuction of a part of the Pentagon. That is more than enough proof for a sane person but these guys need more, sort of like cuddling after sex, yuck.

 

[fleshconsumed]

The density of the Pentagon was greater and the elasticity less.
I'm not considering the density of Pentagon vs density of the Plane. I'm comparing the effects of those three plane crashes I wrote about earlier with the one at Pentagon, and i don't know how to explain why so little damage was done to Pentagon, but clearly there is something wrong with it. Conspiracy...? I don't know... Actual plane crash...? Then why so little damage was done?

 

[db]

Ok, for you who think there's no evidence....
where are the pieces of planes from the WTC?
And how small was the pile of rubble left when the buildings went down?
Many of us watched live as at least one of them went in--or do you dispute that happened too?

 

[burnedout]

DOD Briefing on Pentagon Renovation. Contains plenty of information for the conspiracy theory nutcases who still don't believe a damn plane struck the building.

 

[burnedout]

I'm not considering the density of Pentagon vs density of the Plane. I'm comparing the effects of those three plane crashes I wrote about earlier with the one at Pentagon, and i don't know how to explain why so little damage was done to Pentagon, but clearly there is something wrong with it. Conspiracy...? I don't know... Actual plane crash...? Then why so little damage was done?

How was there so little damage? Simple.

1. There is a difference when an aircraft flying at ~ 240 m/s impacts an object ~ 250 meters above ground basically moving horizontally at such velocity versus an aircraft coming at an angle of ~ 20 degrees and impacting an object close to the ground of greater density and lesser elasticity. Fact of the matter is the WTC had less density and greater elasticity simply because it was so far above ground.

2. From the link I just quoted:

Q: It broke through which one?

Evey: The rings are E, D, C, B and A. Between B and C is a driveway that goes around the Pentagon. It's called A-E Drive. The airplane traveled in a path about like this, and the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C ring into A-E Drive.

Q: One thing that's confusing -- if it came in the way you described, at an angle, why then are not the wings outside? I mean, the wings would have shorn off. The tail would have shorn off. And yet there's apparently no evidence of the aircraft outside the E ring.

Evey: Actually, there's considerable evidence of the aircraft outside the E ring. It's just not very visible. When you get up close -- actually, one of my people happened to be walking on this sidewalk and was right about here as the aircraft approached. It came in. It clipped a couple of light poles on the way in. He happened to hear this terrible noise behind him, looked back, and he actually -- he's a Vietnam veteran -- jumped prone onto the ground so the aircraft would not actually -- he thinks it (would have) hit him; it was that low.

On its way in, the wing clipped. Our guess is an engine clipped a generator. We had an emergency temporary generator to provide life-safety emergency electrical power, should the power go off in the building. The wing actually clipped that generator, and portions of it broke off. There are other parts of the plane that are scattered about outside the building. None of those parts are very large, however. You don't see big pieces of the airplane sitting there extending up into the air. But there are many small pieces. And the few larger pieces there look like they are veins out of the aircraft engine. They're circular.

<edit>changed 800 m to 250 m. was thinking in feet</edit></edit>second edit for clarity</edit>