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CKent

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Originally posted by: Colt45
sounds pretty coincidental to me... all grub does is look for a couple files. ntldr does that too, you know.

It's obvious the OS killed the drive.
 

oogabooga

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
sounds pretty coincidental to me... all grub does is look for a couple files. ntldr does that too, you know.

It's obvious the OS killed the drive.

We should take this to trial. I think any monkey could jump to the right conclusion and convict.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
sounds pretty coincidental to me... all grub does is look for a couple files. ntldr does that too, you know.

It's obvious the OS killed the drive.

We should take this to trial. I think any monkey could jump to the right conclusion and convict.

I'm ok with a $20 lesson :)
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.

killed like how? wtf are you talking about?

I set up dual booting with grub set to load gentoo automatically after giving me 30 seconds to choose between it and XP. Each worked fine. I bought a 1tb storage drive and hooked it up, without thinking, to a lower numbered sata port than my main drive. I booted to XP to format it and start putting data onto it, and had no problem. For a week afterward I happened to only use XP, no specific reason. I rebooted for an update and forgot to stay around my computer, went to take a whiz instead and grab a snack. When I got back gentoo had been trying to boot from the lower port # drive, the 1tb with no os on it and formatted in ntfs, for 5-10 minutes. Completely killed the drive. Bios wouldn't recognize it no matter what I tried, meaning I couldn't access it in any way, shape or form once booted into an OS. As a matter of fact, neither OS would boot with it connected even though it wasn't there according to the bios. Someone I know who's essentially a linux expert couldn't figure it out. People on linux forums somehow managed to avoid calling me an idiot and blaming me (probably because I made a very self-deprecating post to begin with), but their only advice was to reset cmos - something I had mentioned in the original post that I already tried twice - despite reading a detailed explanation of the problem and the error messages. Seagate warranties give you the choice of paying for shipping both ways (I'd have been cheap and done 7 day) and waiting till they receive the dead drive and confirm it -- or paying $20 for them to cross ship you a new one via UPS 2-3day and paying for you to 7day them the old one. I went with option 2 and will never use linux again, lesson learned.

It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.

killed like how? wtf are you talking about?

I set up dual booting with grub set to load gentoo automatically after giving me 30 seconds to choose between it and XP. Each worked fine. I bought a 1tb storage drive and hooked it up, without thinking, to a lower numbered sata port than my main drive. I booted to XP to format it and start putting data onto it, and had no problem. For a week afterward I happened to only use XP, no specific reason. I rebooted for an update and forgot to stay around my computer, went to take a whiz instead and grab a snack. When I got back gentoo had been trying to boot from the lower port # drive, the 1tb with no os on it and formatted in ntfs, for 5-10 minutes. Completely killed the drive. Bios wouldn't recognize it no matter what I tried, meaning I couldn't access it in any way, shape or form once booted into an OS. As a matter of fact, neither OS would boot with it connected even though it wasn't there according to the bios. Someone I know who's essentially a linux expert couldn't figure it out. People on linux forums somehow managed to avoid calling me an idiot and blaming me (probably because I made a very self-deprecating post to begin with), but their only advice was to reset cmos - something I had mentioned in the original post that I already tried twice - despite reading a detailed explanation of the problem and the error messages. Seagate warranties give you the choice of paying for shipping both ways (I'd have been cheap and done 7 day) and waiting till they receive the dead drive and confirm it -- or paying $20 for them to cross ship you a new one via UPS 2-3day and paying for you to 7day them the old one. I went with option 2 and will never use linux again, lesson learned.

Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.

Anyway, back on topic. Go Microsoft!!! what a great concept...i hope it doesn't impact OEMs even though i imagine they'll find a way to squeeze even more money out.
Maybe they'll have another windows version

windows 7 basic
windows 7 business
windows 7 ultimate
windows 7 prepaid (you get the disc at bestbuy where they have the aol discs, and it is free until you use it, and then you are charged based on your hardware._

Awesome, that would work.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: Newbian
You guys need to read the post.

They are talking about selling computers extremely cheap and they make it up by charging the people these costs.

It has nothing to do if you use your own computer.

It's like renting a dvr and getting charged a monthly fee for being able to use it.


..ahh like the razor blade business model.

 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

 

ZzZGuy

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If this happens, I'm going back to board games, taking up table top D&D and read newspapers.

I don't see this ever taking off, no matter how cheap they make it people will despise having to pay to use hardware/software they already paid for.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Every topic you seem to discuss is filled with ridiculous stereotypes and complete ignorance on your part.

sigh.
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Every topic you seem to discuss is filled with ridiculous stereotypes and complete ignorance on your part.

sigh.

no, eight years with a software company dealing with THOSE types. no stereotypes, just truth. we only had 1 or 2 non introverted programmers. maybe software companies in other states are better, but this was in georgia. so that may be why. plus, you know, a lot of people are in denial and think something more of themselves, which i think must be your case.

but thanks for playing. sigh.
 

grrl

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And call me paranoid, but I don't think that it will be too long after this happens (if it does grab hold) that it will be the de facto standard and we will all be forced to take part if we want any new hardware upgrades in the future.

Okay, you're paranoid.

 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Every topic you seem to discuss is filled with ridiculous stereotypes and complete ignorance on your part.

sigh.

no, eight years with a software company dealing with THOSE types. no stereotypes, just truth. we only had 1 or 2 non introverted programmers. maybe software companies in other states are better, but this was in georgia. so that may be why.

but thanks for playing.

So, you worked for a software company, but likely had no actual ability of your own? Instead, over an 8 year period, all you came away with was a stereotype and a false generalization of the industry?

I think your ignorance is pretty plain for all to see. This thread is no different than the others. :)
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Originally posted by: theblackbox
Man, pc's rock.

i have a sata hd with xp, one with ubuntu 8.10, and one wih vista 64 and when i need the hd, i just open my case and pick a slot, and slide it in.
then i option boot and pick the hd to boot from.
don't have to set up dual booting, as it does it automatically, and can switch drives as needed.
apple sure does suck.
i hate having it so easy.
OS choices suck. You've got the college kiddies with Linux, OSX which I always picture the Big Lebowski's daughter being the chief designer of (My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal, which bothers some men :laugh: ), and Windows which is designed by geeks like me, except who have become a little apathetic due to lack of competition. Not that it's great, but between the 3, Windows is the clear choice, if only because of the perks of being #1 (more software / freeware available, more widely supported, more driver support, games).

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Every topic you seem to discuss is filled with ridiculous stereotypes and complete ignorance on your part.

sigh.

no, eight years with a software company dealing with THOSE types. no stereotypes, just truth. we only had 1 or 2 non introverted programmers. maybe software companies in other states are better, but this was in georgia. so that may be why.

but thanks for playing.

So, you worked for a software company, but likely had no actual ability of your own? Instead, over an 8 year period, all you came away with was a stereotype and a false generalization of the industry?

I think your ignorance is pretty plain for all to see. This thread is no different than the others. :)

actually, no. I do ERP consulting now, so i guess i have some sort of ability. I saw what i saw, and this was no small company, either.
but, i really shouldn't waste my time explaining to you as i could really care less what you think of me.

I am here to waste my time while my wife is in cali. luckily, she'll be back tomorrow, so you'll be rid of me for another 2-4 years, and then i'll come back and waste more time posting meaningless shit so basement dwelling dudes like you can act all big and bad.

f/k
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.

killed like how? wtf are you talking about?

I set up dual booting with grub set to load gentoo automatically after giving me 30 seconds to choose between it and XP. Each worked fine. I bought a 1tb storage drive and hooked it up, without thinking, to a lower numbered sata port than my main drive. I booted to XP to format it and start putting data onto it, and had no problem. For a week afterward I happened to only use XP, no specific reason. I rebooted for an update and forgot to stay around my computer, went to take a whiz instead and grab a snack. When I got back gentoo had been trying to boot from the lower port # drive, the 1tb with no os on it and formatted in ntfs, for 5-10 minutes. Completely killed the drive. Bios wouldn't recognize it no matter what I tried, meaning I couldn't access it in any way, shape or form once booted into an OS. As a matter of fact, neither OS would boot with it connected even though it wasn't there according to the bios. Someone I know who's essentially a linux expert couldn't figure it out. People on linux forums somehow managed to avoid calling me an idiot and blaming me (probably because I made a very self-deprecating post to begin with), but their only advice was to reset cmos - something I had mentioned in the original post that I already tried twice - despite reading a detailed explanation of the problem and the error messages. Seagate warranties give you the choice of paying for shipping both ways (I'd have been cheap and done 7 day) and waiting till they receive the dead drive and confirm it -- or paying $20 for them to cross ship you a new one via UPS 2-3day and paying for you to 7day them the old one. I went with option 2 and will never use linux again, lesson learned.

It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.

True Story: Yesterday afternoon, at about 4:30, my wife came into our office. As it was just getting dark out, she flipped on the light switch. I haven't had that particular light on in 2 weeks. All of the power went out in my house. We got a couple phone calls within minutes from others in the area - their power was out too! Had to be my wife flipping the switch, because it happened at the exact same time. What other possibility was there?
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
True Story: Yesterday afternoon, at about 4:30, my wife came into our office. As it was just getting dark out, she flipped on the light switch. I haven't had that particular light on in 2 weeks. All of the power went out in my house. We got a couple phone calls within minutes from others in the area - their power was out too! Had to be my wife flipping the switch, because it happened at the exact same time. What other possibility was there?

Dang women! Can't let 'em near even the simplest technology :p
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Colt45
sounds pretty coincidental to me... all grub does is look for a couple files. ntldr does that too, you know.

It's obvious the OS killed the drive.

It's obvious you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Did you consider that the drive died on it's own with no help from the software? this is most likely, as you said it was your first reboot after turning it on for the first time. Could be a bad motor, or circuit board. Powered up the first time OK, then promptly died. Happens all the time. Hard drive infant mortality.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Did you consider that the drive died on it's own with no help from the software? this is most likely, as you said it was your first reboot after turning it on for the first time. Could be a bad motor, or circuit board. Powered up the first time OK, then promptly died. Happens all the time. Hard drive infant mortality.

I edited a few times since my post wasn't as clear as I'd have liked. The drive was working fine for about a week before gentoo killed it.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...
you mean like buying a defective drive?
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Did you consider that the drive died on it's own with no help from the software? this is most likely, as you said it was your first reboot after turning it on for the first time. Could be a bad motor, or circuit board. Powered up the first time OK, then promptly died. Happens all the time. Hard drive infant mortality.

I edited a few times since my post wasn't as clear as I'd have liked. The drive was working fine for about a week before gentoo killed it.

Trying to boot from a drive does not kill it.

Explain to me how software can cause HD death without writing any data to it. Copying fragmented data from a large drive is much more seek-intensive than trying to boot for several minutes, and drives do that all the time without failing. Ask Google.

Infant mortality, dude. Just because the drive was OK for a week doesn't mean that it was a solid drive.

Originally posted by: theblackbox

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

REAL professional programs, not crap like Office that everyone uses or fairly common apps like Photoshop, are usually one-platform-only. And it's usually PC (although sometimes Linux).
 

Bill Brasky

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I don't understand what all the bitching is about. This business model will appeal to people that can't afford 1k or more for a computer. And as long as people are willing to pay that much, there is no reason for MS to stop offering the current solution.
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Eli
It's generally not possible for software to kill hardware.

Something is awry with your story.
When all other possibilities have been exhausted, whatever remaining, no matter how unlikely...

Did you consider that the drive died on it's own with no help from the software? this is most likely, as you said it was your first reboot after turning it on for the first time. Could be a bad motor, or circuit board. Powered up the first time OK, then promptly died. Happens all the time. Hard drive infant mortality.

I edited a few times since my post wasn't as clear as I'd have liked. The drive was working fine for about a week before gentoo killed it.

Trying to boot from a drive does not kill it.

Explain to me how software can cause HD death without writing any data to it. Copying fragmented data from a large drive is much more seek-intensive than trying to boot for several minutes, and drives do that all the time without failing. Ask Google.

Infant mortality, dude. Just because the drive was OK for a week doesn't mean that it was a solid drive.

Originally posted by: theblackbox

you work for a software company? i did for 8 years and i wouldn't want to associate myself with those geeks that code...socially inept ring a bell.

more software = more games and thats about it these days.

you use what you know works, and if it works for you, more power to it :)

REAL professional programs, not crap like Office that everyone uses or fairly common apps like Photoshop, are usually one-platform-only. And it's usually PC (although sometimes Linux).

there are real professional programs on all the platforms, not just windows. depends on what you do professionally.