What the hell is Microsoft thinking?

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

It's disappointing is all. Not really a surprise. I like their products...but will move on to Linux or another alternative if this becomes reality.

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Care to elaborate with some specific examples?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

Choice is good.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

Choice is good.

Agreed. And there will be even more choice if they become like Apple in the future.

So it's not really a bad thing

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

Choice is good.

Agreed. And there will be even more choice if they become like Apple in the future.

So it's not really a bad thing

You're really not making sense here.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Huh? So, as long as I keep buying an OEM or Student copy of Windows every time I build a new computer, I notice nothing new. Big deal, moving right along. postcount++

 

[aceO07]

It's something that every software company wishes they could pull off. I don't blame them for trying...

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades!

and that's a problem why?

the guy was sad that Microsoft was no longer going to be a monopoly.....

I failed to see the problem

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Huh? So, as long as I keep buying an OEM or Student copy of Windows every time I build a new computer, I notice nothing new. Big deal, moving right along. postcount++

Are OEM versions even going to be available? Much less a student copy? This sounds like some sort of closed ecosystem kind of deal. Much like, as the previously mentioned, Apple.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

You're really not making sense here.

The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

 

[novasatori]

Preparation for Cloud Computing and Windows Cloud (rumored soon)?

I don't see how there could be a patent for this, is it different than other computer metering, like shared servers and stuff?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Newbian
You guys need to read the post.

They are talking about selling computers extremely cheap and they make it up by charging the people these costs.

It has nothing to do if you use your own computer.

It's like renting a dvr and getting charged a monthly fee for being able to use it.

Right. But say it becomes the de facto standard. You can get hardware, and build your own box, but the good stuff is not available unless you buy into this. They could go as far as to tie any specific piece of hardware to that system, rendering it non-functional, if it was pulled and installed into a user built box that differed slightly.

This sounds like a console system. And an alarming business strategy. Terrible idea.

After reading the article, it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I think you're jumping to conclusions.

The business model may make sense for developing countries, but I don't think it would fly in the US. Over here people make a lot more money, so dropping $600 on a PC isn't really a big deal. In China, however, it's a much more cost prohibitive when you only earn a few thousand dollars per year. This pay as you go model may be the only way some people in these countries can afford to buy a nice computer.

That being said, it sounds like a ripoff to me. In the long run it's probably more expensive. After all the Windows piracy in China, though, I guess it couldn't hurt if Microsoft was screwing them over for a change. Lol...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Huh? So, as long as I keep buying an OEM or Student copy of Windows every time I build a new computer, I notice nothing new. Big deal, moving right along. postcount++

Are OEM versions even going to be available? Much less a student copy? This sounds like some sort of closed ecosystem kind of deal. Much like, as the previously mentioned, Apple.

Then it will be the day I move to Linux. The only reason I pay for my Windows license(s) vs. everyone else I know who torrents a copy, is that I believe it is worth it. Was it worth the $64.95 for a student copy of Vista Ultimate? Hell yes. It was also worth the $0.00 for Windows Server 08 because I'm a student. That license is just sitting around collecting dust though . XP Pro SP1 OEM was also worth the $130. That's the sweet spot for an OS, and I don't ever count on paying more.

Plus, didn't this exist in a slightly different fashion during the dot-bomb era? Silly upstart Internet company sells you a computer real cheap, but makes you sign a 2 year contract with their overpriced dial-up. Said start-up goes out of business in a few months, contract is void, you keep the cheap computer.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Care to elaborate with some specific examples?

MS-DOS was the only DOS you could use to run Windows 3.1

They essentially killed the other distributors of DOS (ie, PC-DOS)

When windows 95 came out, they essentially destroyed MS-DOS (couldn't use it anymore as efficiently as you could in the past, they removed quite a few useful commands to force people to use windows).

Want me to go on?

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

It's not a true nest until you get every post in the tread in one....

Give me a few minutes.

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

It's not a true nest until you get every post in the tread in one....

Give me a few minutes.

Don't do it dude! Modz will kill you! :disgust:

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.

killed like how? wtf are you talking about?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

It's not a true nest until you get every post in the tread in one....

Give me a few minutes.

Don't do it dude! Modz will kill you! :disgust:

Lies, they like extra work. It's the bondage aspect of it.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

It's not a true nest until you get every post in the tread in one....

Give me a few minutes.

Don't do it dude! Modz will kill you! :disgust:

Spoilsport.

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The less people use Microsoft software, the less Microsoft has a stanglehold on the industry. This will create more choice for users.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Ah. I thought you were saying that the closed hardware ecosystem that Apple employs, would be beneficial for Microsoft to adopt.

But I like the way you nest dude. Nesting FTW :laugh:

It's not a true nest until you get every post in the tread in one....

Give me a few minutes.

Don't do it dude! Modz will kill you! :disgust:

Spoilsport.

Plain foiled. Mission accomplished. Return to Base.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.

killed like how? wtf are you talking about?

I set up dual booting with grub set to load gentoo automatically after giving me 30 seconds to choose between it and XP. Each worked fine. I bought a 1tb storage drive and hooked it up, without thinking, to a lower numbered sata port than my main drive. I booted to XP to format it and start putting data onto it, and had no problem. For a week afterward I happened to only use XP, no specific reason. I rebooted for an update and forgot to stay around my computer, went to take a whiz instead and grab a snack. When I got back gentoo had been trying to boot from the lower port # drive, the 1tb with no os on it and formatted in ntfs, for 5-10 minutes. Completely killed the drive. Bios wouldn't recognize it no matter what I tried, meaning I couldn't access it in any way, shape or form once booted into an OS. As a matter of fact, neither OS would boot with it connected even though it wasn't there according to the bios. Someone I know who's essentially a linux expert couldn't figure it out. People on linux forums somehow managed to avoid calling me an idiot and blaming me (probably because I made a very self-deprecating post to begin with), but their only advice was to reset cmos - something I had mentioned in the original post that I already tried twice - despite reading a detailed explanation of the problem and the error messages. Seagate warranties give you the choice of paying for shipping both ways (I'd have been cheap and done 7 day) and waiting till they receive the dead drive and confirm it -- or paying $20 for them to cross ship you a new one via UPS 2-3day and paying for you to 7day them the old one. I went with option 2 and will never use linux again, lesson learned.

 

[Colt45]

sounds pretty coincidental to me... all grub does is look for a couple files. ntldr does that too, you know.