What the hell is Microsoft thinking?

RightIsWrong

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The worst part about this is that the rest of us are going to end up paying for the stupidity of the masses!!

MS patents "Pay as you go" PC model

Microsoft Corp. last week applied for a patent that spells out a "pay as you go" concept under which users would be charged for both the software they run and the computing horsepower they use.

According to the patent application filed last week with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the "Metered Pay-As-You-Go Computing Experience" scheme would meter software use and access to specific computer hardware. Fees would be charged against a prepaid or billed account.

"The current business model for computer hardware and software relies on a user purchasing a computer with hardware and software that is suited to the most demanding applications that the user expects to encounter," said Microsoft in the application. "Therefore, a user may buy a multi-core processor with a significant amount of memory and advanced video support for gaming applications that are only used on the weekend, while the user's day-in, day-out activities may involve little more than word processing or web-browsing."

Microsoft's plan would instead monitor the machine to track things such as disk storage space, processor cores and memory used, then bill the user for what was consumed during a set period.

"A different business model may allow a more granular approach to hardware and software sales," Microsoft argued. "A computer may have individually metered hardware and software components that a user can select and activate based on current need. When the need is browsing, a low level of performance may be used, and when network-based interactive gaming is the need of the moment, the highest available performance may be made available to the user."

Fees would be lower for low-performance chores, such as writing e-mail or surfing the Internet, and higher for high-performance tasks.

For consumers, Microsoft said, the advantage of such a model would be a lower price at the outset for a powerful PC. Computer makers would gain the ability to standardize on higher-end systems, it added. But the company admitted that the overall cost to the user might be higher than for a standard PC purchase. "Although the cost of ownership over the life of the computer may be higher than that of a one-time purchase, the payments can be deferred and the user can extend the useful life of the computer beyond that of the one-time purchase machine," Microsoft contended.

Key to the concept is something Microsoft called a "security module," embedded either in the hardware or provided as software, that would meter the computer's usage. "To make this model successful, a mechanism must be in place that supports a highly secure method of adjusting performance coupled with a secure, auditable measurement and payment scheme to allow a variety of pre-paid and post-paid mechanisms for capturing and settling highly granular, infinitely adjustable, performance variations," the patent application said.

There's more at the link...but it was pretty long and extremely disgusting.

Just think....for those that can't afford a new computer, they will get the option of getting one for almost nothing. They just have to sell their soul to some other company (ISP, HW vendor, etc) and get charged for accessing the hardware or software. And call me paranoid, but I don't think that it will be too long after this happens (if it does grab hold) that it will be the de facto standard and we will all be forced to take part if we want any new hardware upgrades in the future.
 

Newbian

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Is it any different then lets say someone who uses cell phones and they get charged by how many minutes they use?

If you can make money off of something then people will think of it.
 

clamum

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I think there's situations where this might be attractive, like if they said when you don't use a computer much, but I would never care to use that sort of system myself.
 

vhx

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Rofl. Charges for just operating a computer? They must be retarded.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: vhx
Rofl. Charges for just operating a computer? They must be retarded.

Ask Oracle how it's working out. I thought they have been doing this for quite some time?
 

CKent

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Mental image: Bill gates with a confused look on his face asking "Why do they steal software?" while buttfucking a guy who's tied up and screaming "NOOOOOO!!". It's too bad I suck at teh arts :(
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

I'd switch to Linux right now, if this becomes a standard. Unless they have all the good hardware locked down to their proprietary systems (and places like newegg, etc. die instantly), making it impossible for you to be a hardware enthusiast, without buying into said system.

Even talking about it sounds ridiculous. No buying hardware yourself anymore? Terrible proposition.
 

Red Squirrel

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Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Sadly there is actually something in the EULA for vista (xp might have it too) that as soon as you install it, they actually own your computer. What a bunch of crooks. Too lazy to search for it now but pretty sure I remember hearing of that.

But charging for usage on your own machine? That would be like ford charging users extra the more they use their vehicle.

 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Newbian
Is it any different then lets say someone who uses cell phones and they get charged by how many minutes they use?

If you can make money off of something then people will think of it.

With cell phones you have an actual infrastructure to maintain. Plus cell phone companies pay one another to use their towers and such.

If Windows did not have somany security holes... you would not need support.

So its an apples and oranges comparison.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Sadly there is actually something in the EULA for vista (xp might have it too) that as soon as you install it, they actually own your computer. What a bunch of crooks. Too lazy to search for it now but pretty sure I remember hearing of that.

But charging for usage on your own machine? That would be like ford charging users extra the more they use their vehicle.

And how would that hold up in court?
 

scttgrd

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This is why you dual boot with Linux, get familiar with it before they try this crap. When they do you will be prepared.
 

frostedflakes

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Companies submit a lot of patents that don't necessarily come to fruition. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, but if it's what I think it is, I doubt MS would ever try to pull anything like this.
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: scttgrd
This is why you dual boot with Linux, get familiar with it before they try this crap. When they do you will be prepared.

It's more or less self explanatory. At least any distros with a GUI are.
 

Newbian

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You guys need to read the post.

They are talking about selling computers extremely cheap and they make it up by charging the people these costs.

It has nothing to do if you use your own computer.

It's like renting a dvr and getting charged a monthly fee for being able to use it.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: videogames101
Oh, I dare M$ to try this, the age of linux draws closer.

/thread

Linux killed a hard drive on me. I had plugged it into a lower numbered port than my boot drive, so in one small way it was my fault. It worked fine under windows (dual boot rig) for a week or so since windows writes drive assignments ot the mbr and doesn't care about port numbers. But why would any o/s be programmed to ruin hardware under ANY circumstance? There's a reason Linux is free, it's programmed by scatterbrained college kids and commands a mentality among followers of being capable of no wrong, only its users.
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: Newbian
You guys need to read the post.

They are talking about selling computers extremely cheap and they make it up by charging the people these costs.

It has nothing to do if you use your own computer.

It's like renting a dvr and getting charged a monthly fee for being able to use it.

Right. But say it becomes the de facto standard. You can get hardware, and build your own box, but the good stuff is not available unless you buy into this. They could go as far as to tie any specific piece of hardware to that system, rendering it non-functional, if it was pulled and installed into a user built box that differed slightly.

This sounds like a console system. And an alarming business strategy. Terrible idea.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.
 

Hyperblaze

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Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wait, this is a repost, but don't think I understood the article the first time. So they want to charge for your computer usage on YOUR OWN pc?! wtf? They have no right to even look at what I'm doing on my pc. Screw them.

Who cares about them looking at what you're doing, YOU should look at what you're doing instead. Then maybe you could get the reading skills necessary to understand the concept being proposed. Rather than paying X for a PC of given specs you'd pay something like x/10 so that you could buy more machine or even get the machine for nothing as long as you pay for the service. Think of a cell phone business model. Give away the hardware and charge for what people do with it.

Too bad that the same business model doesn't work with brains. Everyone has one, but sadly some people refuse to make theirs work.

Not sure about you, but I really don't like having my hardware dictated to me. Taking away choices, isn't an extremely positive thing.

Microsoft has been taking away choice since as long as I can remember.

how does this suprise you really?

Gosh, if they keep going at the current rate they'll be like Apple in a few decades! :(