As a few trillion people have pointed out so far, its because a team is greater than the sum of its individual parts. Just the mentality from the get go in NBA-inspired basketball and streetball is make flashy moves, please the crowd with highlights. Forget defense, doing small things like moving without the ball, playing team defense, setting screens, taking charges, assuming responsibility for your defensive coverage, mastering set plays, etc. Because the Euros aren't gifted high flyers like the Americans, they pursue a team oriented game from the get go. Another big aspect totally missing from the American game is the mid-range jumper. All about high flying dunks and swooping layups, to go along with 3 point bombs. Anythin else is boring and doesn't stimulate the player's ego as much.
ROFL that had to be the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
Are you talking about the same Kobe that everyone else is aware of? The same guy who isolates his team day in and day out, and is known and accepted as probably the most selfish NBA star of his time (maybe all time).
When the US team's biggest issue is a lack of cohesiveness (ie not playing as a team), last thing you need is a psychotic, egotistical, selfish ballhog in the center of things.
Vic
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The hypothetical owner would lose because the offense-favoring rules in the NBA would not favor him, just like the teamwork-favoring rules in the Euro league wouldn't favor an NBA team.
This isn't a mystery or a conspiracy. The NBA has never been shy about admitting that their rules favor flashy high-scoring offense-oriented games. Unfortunately, this policy has lead away from what many people consider to be "pure" basketball, especially when it comes to teamwork. In the days of Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., this was okay, because those great players were capable of selfless play and had a great deal of fan respect, but today's street thug players have lost that.
Well part of the reason for players wanting to come and play in the NBA is because they get much much fatter paychecks.
"ROFL that had to be the saddest thing I've read in a long time."
^ Fixed. Indeed.
Psychotic? Selfish? You know all the sh!t he does for charity without always calling for cameras or the press to be nearby to document his good deeds and inflate his ego like a certain Big Aristotle? Think for yourself and try not to take every hack on the internet and on cable TV says at face value. DO try to listen to what intelligent and experienced basketball minds have to say about his skills and love of the game. Try following his game and notice how he will try to involve his teammates, only to resort to adopting a 'me against the world' mentality when his team's poor outside shooting or poor handling/passing fundementals makes it a necessity. Try to find out about he does in his free time (other than devoting himself to keeping in shape and always ready for the game he adores) and find out for yourself that he's as caring and decent a human being as you're likely to find... short of unfortunately meeting up with that truly psychotic wench I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
You'd have to have your head buried somewhere dark and damp to think a completely healthy & rejuvenated Kobe (as we'll all see in a month or two) would be anything but a HUGE asset to ANY team.
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Reasons they lost:
1) lack of knowledge breaking down effective zone defenses, and not seeing how important it is to do it right to get great inside and outside shots.
2) lack of knowledge covering a world class pick and roll offense (hard for anyone...ask karl malone and john stockton)
3) lack of humility to understand the rest of the world knows the game as good and sometimes better (ie greece) than they do.
Reasons they will win the gold in '08:
1) they WILL learn how to break down zones better
2) they WILL learn how to better defend pick and rolls
3) best team of players in the world
3) they will drop defenseless brad miller and antawn jamison
4) more cohesion in year 2 and 3 in bejing
5) way too much pride in our captains to take it for granted from now on.
I wouldn't quit on them yet, we are on the right track and will be on top again soon.
1) lack of knowledge breaking down effective zone defenses, and not seeing how important it is to do it right to get great inside and outside shots.
2) lack of knowledge covering a world class pick and roll offense (hard for anyone...ask karl malone and john stockton)
3) lack of humility to understand the rest of the world knows the game as good and sometimes better (ie greece) than they do.
Reasons they will win the gold in '08:
1) they WILL learn how to break down zones better
2) they WILL learn how to better defend pick and rolls
3) best team of players in the world
3) they will drop defenseless brad miller and antawn jamison
4) more cohesion in year 2 and 3 in bejing
5) way too much pride in our captains to take it for granted from now on.
I wouldn't quit on them yet, we are on the right track and will be on top again soon.
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Its easy to see who knows basketball and who doesn't when reading this thread. What are these "offense-favoring" rules that aren't "teamwork-favoring"? The NBA has adjusted rules to boost overall scoring, but not individual play. In fact, by allowing zone defense, you don't have the one on one play that you would have seen just five years ago. Back then, illegal defense calls allowed players to one on one it all game long.
Its laughable that you would refer to the Jordan as an example of teamwork and selfless play. Kobe and Iverson are players that fit the "selfless" Jordan mold by hoisting 30 shots per game. The only way in which you can claim Jordan encouraged teamwork was through his leadership in bringing together a team. On the court he was a me-first player and was surrounded by teamwork oriented players that accepted him as the alpha dog.
If what you are saying is true, the Lakers would have been a Finals team, but instead saw a first round exit. The Conference Finals teams were all teamwork oriented teams that spread the ball around to many players. What you claim to want from the NBA (selfless, teamplay) was exactly what the top 4 teams delivered. Read any of Bill Simmons' articles on the 2006 playoffs for more in depth insight into this fact.
The truth of the matter is that the young group of players on Team USA are part of the new breed of NBA players. LeBron, Dwayne and Carmello are unselfish players who play basketball the right way. If you had watched the NBA in the past five years you would see this trend, which is personified by the 2003 class.
As anyone who has played enough basketball can tell you, a good team can beat good players any day of the week. However, if both are good teams, the good players have the advantage. Greece played all world, hitting over 75% of their shots in the 3rd and over 50% of their threes for the game. Many of those threes were 5 feet beyond the line or contested. Sometimes teams just get hot, and Greece got hot. The lack of time the players had together (lack of teamwork) prevented team USA from playing a sound team defense to stop the pick and roll. Its wrong to charge that as a result of the players not playing team ball, 3 weeks just isnt enough time to get the teamwork needed to compare to the level of teamwork the other teams in the tournament had. Since Team USA is built as a long term group, you need to look at their development over the long term. Flashy streetball had nothing to do with guarding a pick and roll, and it never will. Team defense isn't something that you can just turn on.
I think the NBA needs to look at what they are sending out for competition against the world. How can you justify all these high dollar salaries and not be number one? Team chemistry, whatever the excuses are? The United States is not number one and that too me is unacceptable. Man, remember when USA kicked ass in everything? I am still young and hope these days will came back! Why will I support a league that is not even world caliber? Maybe someone needs to come up with a World Basketball League? The world has caught up at this game and I feel that this will happen sooner then latter.
Believe it or not, Raptor fan, since the franchise' inception. And no I don't worship every player on the team just because they're on the team. (I hated Vince since that debacle in 2001, as one example).
If he was on the Raptors, I'd still be a Raptor fan but by no means a Kobe apologist, unlike some people.
If he was on the Raptors, I'd still be a Raptor fan but by no means a Kobe apologist, unlike some people.
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Vic
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Blah blah blah
The principal way that the NBA favors the offense is in the way they call fouls.
As to Jordan, no one player can win a team sport on their own, but a great player can lead their team to victory.
Today's players are selfless? :roll: Passing the ball around just so you don't look like a ball hog does not make one selfless.
Today's players are talented. But that's nothing new. What makes a truly great player is being talented and having the ability to lead with the respect of your teammates. To become that mythic hero who leads his team to victory. The NBA knows that this is what sells tickets, and it is exactly that that they attempt to foster. Unfortunately, these days, everyone wants that role and not one of them is fit to play it.
But oh yeah, I don't know basketball... :roll:<^>
That I was, and I'm even more PO'd that Raps management didn't can Sam Bitchell after that. Got nothing to do with my despise for KoMe, he's always been the epitome of selfishness, that game just was a great example of his individual scoring talent. Something everyone knows about.
I never said anything about Shaq being a model human being or NBA player or anything. You just seem to assume I was dissing Kobe being a Shaq fan or something. I just find it hilarious people talking about how he will involve his teammates, but almost every player who joins the Lakers' finds their career diminish. Coincidence?
And how do you know that girl was a psychotic wench? Gee I bet you had lots of evidence and a rational, unbiased view of that situation. Kobe would be an asset to any team, particularly one needing scoring, but he will not help out a team that needs to play as a team, not five individual star players.
And how do you know that girl was a psychotic wench? Gee I bet you had lots of evidence and a rational, unbiased view of that situation. Kobe would be an asset to any team, particularly one needing scoring, but he will not help out a team that needs to play as a team, not five individual star players.
You've failed to mention that the players that join the Lakers are not good.Odom is a boderline All-star,Kawme is a former bust,Cook is a one trick pony who would be a 3rd tier player on the bench of any other team,and Parker...well lets just say he was lucky to be guranteeed a contract and is a NBDL player who's been bouncing around the league his last what 2-3 years?As a Laker fan the Laker front office has not put good talent around Kobe.You can only do so much for your teamates after that...its all up to the individual and his own skills.You place any other lone superstar with this team and you'll get the same results if not worse.
As for Kobe's legal issues...well that was like 2 years behind him so thats that.He was never found guilty so dont even try to spin it around.
How is he not what team USA needs?
He can shoot the ball better than LBJ and Wade.And has more range on his shots.
He's a solid defender.
He's proven that he can rise to the challenge and lead during crunch time.
The players are not that good because he takes so much away from them. Unlike Phoenix where the scrubs have career years, in LA the scrubs either remain scrubs, or turn into scrubs.
The psychotic wench reference was aimed at another poster who just called that chick that term, out of his fanboi like love for Kobe.
He's not what team USA needs because for the simple fact that isolation play is NOT WHAT THEY ARE SHORT IN. He does not address their weakness in international bball, which is a lack of cohesiveness as a team. He may be a better individual scorer than anyone on the team but he does not make players around him better.
He has performed late in games consistently for quite some time, but his lack of heart showed totally in that game 7. What was it, one shot attempt in the second half? Ask yourself this, would any of those other stars have done the same? Against Phoenix of all teams, not exactly a defensive juggernaut.
The psychotic wench reference was aimed at another poster who just called that chick that term, out of his fanboi like love for Kobe.
He's not what team USA needs because for the simple fact that isolation play is NOT WHAT THEY ARE SHORT IN. He does not address their weakness in international bball, which is a lack of cohesiveness as a team. He may be a better individual scorer than anyone on the team but he does not make players around him better.
He has performed late in games consistently for quite some time, but his lack of heart showed totally in that game 7. What was it, one shot attempt in the second half? Ask yourself this, would any of those other stars have done the same? Against Phoenix of all teams, not exactly a defensive juggernaut.
lmao
Again he's a proven leader in crunch time.(using one particular game out of a million doesnt put up a great arguement there.)
Furthermore do you even watch Kobe play on a regular basis?Or are you just spewing "facts" that BSPN tell you?
He's a proven defender.Being selected on the all defensive team(1 and 2) multiple times including last season.He can be even a greater one if his role on this team was not to score also.
As far as i'm concerned he's the rich man's version of Dwade...yet I dont see you lashing out on him.Kobe can shoot,score,defend,can hit clutch shots.Yes he isnt the greatest playmaker in terms of getting ppl involved...but am I not mistaken he is a SHOOTING guard rite?Yet he still puts in a career avg of 5 assists per game.And averaged also 5 assists in the playoffs.No get over it...his teammates suck.As soon as my Lakers actually get some good players...Kobe will work his magic.
You make it seem as if him joining the team at Bejing will only hurt them.Hating aside....at worst it'll be around the same result.
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