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What the hell happened to American basketball?

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Art Vandelay

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Used to dominate, now meh... The Euros seem to dominate it these days. Final 8 is composed of 6 Euros: Greece, Turkey, Spain, France, Germany, Lithuania :Q

Current results at the 2006 World Championship in Japan:

1st and 2nd: Greece or Spain, final game yet to be played.
3rd: USA
4th: Argentine
5th: France
6th: Turkey
7th and 8th: Germany or Lithuania, game yet to be played.

I watched the USA vs. Argentine game, totally pathetic. The US won but it was a pathetic game on the Argentinian part, so I am not surprised.

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teamwork...they need to put a team together and work with them all throughout, like maybe twice a month, not just when there is a championship

they should get guys who are committed, not necessarily the best. If they do this they wont get many, if any, superstars on the team because they have other obligations to their teams, but then the USA would be extremely cohesive and disciplined and be a real threat.
 
Um, we don't know how to play as a team. I thought it was interesting that during warmups the US team was taking turns doing awesome dunks, and the greek team was shooting free throws and doing passing drills. I think that says it all.......
 
i don't think there will ever be a time when the US dominates the interational basketball scene like the Dream Team did. that said, they've got a plan now to keep a team together and give them time to develop as a team. we'll see how they play in future tournaments. i'll reserve judgement until then.
 
I think it's because the Euros play Basketball the way it used to be played in the USA. The US players are playing street ball where team work and shooting aren't as important as dunking and selling shoes.
 
Originally posted by: Jmman
Um, we don't know how to play as a team. I thought it was interesting that during warmups the US team was taking turns doing awesome dunks, and the greek team was shooting free throws and doing passing drills. I think that says it all.......
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yeap. seems a good team can beat a great player.

 
It's all about the paycheck nowadays, not about playing for the love of the game. Few players have heart out there and it's to the point where I don't watch NBA much anymore. College Basketball to me is much more entertaining.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Jmman
Um, we don't know how to play as a team. I thought it was interesting that during warmups the US team was taking turns doing awesome dunks, and the greek team was shooting free throws and doing passing drills. I think that says it all.......
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yeap. seems a good team can beat a great player.
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Avg 5 can beat 2 great players with solid team work.

Koing
 
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
It's all about the paycheck nowadays, not about playing for the love of the game. Few players have heart out there and it's to the point where I don't watch NBA much anymore. College Basketball to me is much more entertaining.
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True... the only NBA games I watch are finals.. even then its pretty boring... oh well. Has anyone seen the Turkey vs. Lithuania game the other day? It was crazy, such a good game. European ball is more about passing and assisting... U.S. basketball is more about shooting or dunking (trying).
 
Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
What the hell happened to American basketball?
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we'r not paying them enough. $$ fuel their baseketball ability. Due to inflation and raising housing cost, they now need billion $ contracts to show their superiority
 
Originally posted by: Jmman
Um, we don't know how to play as a team. I thought it was interesting that during warmups the US team was taking turns doing awesome dunks, and the greek team was shooting free throws and doing passing drills. I think that says it all.......
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Yup.
 
I honestly don't think it has as much to do with money as most people in this are saying. I'd be willing to bet that despite the huge paychecks, which of course are going to become important as long as they're being offered, most players in the NBA still play more for a love of the game than a love of their salaries. In terms of this particular tournament, I'd say it's a mix of lack of experience playing together as a team and an overall lack of caring about the results as a whole. The players are probably thinking more about how they're going to do in the regular NBA season, which to them is much more important than these championships.
 
Originally posted by: madeupfacts
Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
What the hell happened to American basketball?
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we'r not paying them enough. $$ fuel their baseketball ability. Due to inflation and raising housing cost, they now need billion $ contracts to show their superiority
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LOL :thumbsup:
 
NBA players don't know how to play team game. All the plays in the NBA now are the little men isolated against the big men while the 4 other guys just stand around.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper
I honestly don't think it has as much to do with money as most people in this are saying. I'd be willing to bet that despite the huge paychecks, which of course are going to become important as long as they're being offered, most players in the NBA still play more for a love of the game than a love of their salaries. In terms of this particular tournament, I'd say it's a mix of lack of experience playing together as a team and an overall lack of caring about the results as a whole. The players are probably thinking more about how they're going to do in the regular NBA season, which to them is much more important than these championships.
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i don't buy the "they didn't care" or "they didn't have heart" arguments. the USA team made a three year commitment to play overseas. you don't give up your summers to do that unless you want to go out and win. if you're a multi-millionaire athlete, you don't risk burning out in the summer and possibly getting hurt for nothing. this USA team wanted to win badly and prove themselves. i think people are making too big assumptions about their desire, just because they lost.
 
Quite simply it is the lack of basic fundamentals. Compare the Greece team with the USA team play - I mean really pay close attention to the film- and Greece did so many right and subtle things that the U.S. team failed to do. Greece played like U.S. basketball used to be played/taught 30 years ago. The only exception was the U.S. '92 team which was as sound a fundamental basketball team that has ever graced this earth.

 
A number of reasons really. It's like the All-Star break. You put a whole bunch of superstars on the court, all they care about is impressive dunks and alley-oops and making themselves look good. They don't play as a team.

Also, it's just a bunch of kids. The oldest person is, who, Jamison? It's a bunch of young twenty-year olds who are just out there for the fun. A better "team" would include some vets in there who actually want to win and care about the game.
 
Originally posted by: Kilgor
I think it's because the Euros play Basketball the way it used to be played in the USA. The US players are playing street ball where team work and shooting aren't as important as dunking and selling shoes.
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..it turned in to "tude" ball wit the goofy tat's and hiphop rags.

 
You guys are just going on ridiculous rants. The world basketball rules are different than the nba rules, and more closely adhere to the way euro leagues play. World and euro basketball is more focused on three point shooting and passing, kind of like college here. The thing about the nba is most of those short white guys who shoot all those three point shots in college don't really make it in. Instead you have the big centers and forwards with cutting shooting and point guards. IMHO the US competetive team should rotate in college juniors and seniors who probably won't go pro. The nba and the rest of the world just play different types of ball.

I mean, if the euro type strategy worked in the nba, teams would have adopted it already.
 
We got cocky.Although I would still say that USA would beat Greece 9 times out of 10.And that we still produce the best basketball players and still have the best league around(notice that its international players wanting to come play in the NBA not the other way around).

Simply put we still suck at defense.And have no shooters.And no leaders.This team really needed a leader like Kobe.Shooters like Pierce,Redd,Morrison,Reddick,and Allen.And a defender like Artest.
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
teamwork...they need to put a team together and work with them all throughout, like maybe twice a month, not just when there is a championship

they should get guys who are committed, not necessarily the best. If they do this they wont get many, if any, superstars on the team because they have other obligations to their teams, but then the USA would be extremely cohesive and disciplined and be a real threat.
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qft.

i say we take the NBA championship team and throw them in the olympics to compete. then we'd pwn again.
 
Originally posted by: preslove
You guys are just going on ridiculous rants. The world basketball rules are different than the nba rules, and more closely adhere to the way euro leagues play. World and euro basketball is more focused on three point shooting and passing, kind of like college here. The thing about the nba is most of those short white guys who shoot all those three point shots in college don't really make it in. Instead you have the big centers and forwards with cutting shooting and point guards. IMHO the US competetive team should rotate in college juniors and seniors who probably won't go pro. The nba and the rest of the world just play different types of ball.

I mean, if the euro type strategy worked in the nba, teams would have adopted it already.
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No, what has happened is that the NBA has moved away from the fundamentals of the game in favor of flashy showboat street ball.
 
I think a team like the Phoenix Suns would have done better than the USA team that was out there. Having Kobe would have also helped them.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: preslove
You guys are just going on ridiculous rants. The world basketball rules are different than the nba rules, and more closely adhere to the way euro leagues play. World and euro basketball is more focused on three point shooting and passing, kind of like college here. The thing about the nba is most of those short white guys who shoot all those three point shots in college don't really make it in. Instead you have the big centers and forwards with cutting shooting and point guards. IMHO the US competetive team should rotate in college juniors and seniors who probably won't go pro. The nba and the rest of the world just play different types of ball.

I mean, if the euro type strategy worked in the nba, teams would have adopted it already.
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No, what has happened is that the NBA has moved away from the fundamentals of the game in favor of flashy showboat street ball.
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If that were true then all an owner would have to do to win the nba championship is hire the greek national team, pay them half of what he would pay his "flashy showboat street ball" players and play solid fundamentals. I mean, if they can beat the star studded usa national team they could kill a normal nba team, right? :roll::roll::roll:

That would get his team creamed in the nba. The nba is all about the paint, the post, and quick guards who can both cut inside to dunk/pass and shoot on the move. Euro basketball is defense and three pointers. They're different games.
 
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