What the heck would be the purpose of "Serial SCSI"?

[StormRider]

What would be the point? What advantages would it have over Serial ATA?

I used to be a big fan of SCSI (mainly because I had an Atari ST and I had SCSI HDs for it) but later became disappointed with it because of all the different varieties of SCSI that came out. It's annoying to have so many different cables and connectors for it. To me, Firewire is everything I wanted SCSI to be.

Serial SCSI

 

[NOX]

The same advantage current SCSI has over IDE ATA, and the same advantage SATA has over PATA (small cables).

Serial SCSI RAID0!

 

[mechBgon]

Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

 

[moonshinemadness]

Seen as the threads already here do you think its worth going to SATA right now. I dont know what the prices on SATA v IDE are at the moment but i have an Asus A7N8x Deluxe with onboard SATA and I was wondering whether I would see much of a performance increase for my money. Ive read the a/tech article which seem to show very little if any perfomrance increase. Failing actually buying a SATA HDD i could at least get an adapter to free up IDE space. What do you think?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

Man I've all but gone total SCSI, quit tempting me hahah.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

Looking for those right now. Thanks!

I thought ultra 2 was basically the 80mB/s SCSI where as SCSI3 was the 160mB/s. Why would one drive be listed as both ultra2 and scsi3?

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

Looking for those right now. Thanks!

I thought ultra 2 was basically the 80mB/s SCSI where as SCSI3 was the 160mB/s. Why would one drive be listed as both ultra2 and scsi3?

hehe you're applying intelligence to an explanation meant for idiots. It's backwards compatible is all.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

Looking for those right now. Thanks!

I thought ultra 2 was basically the 80mB/s SCSI where as SCSI3 was the 160mB/s. Why would one drive be listed as both ultra2 and scsi3?

hehe you're applying intelligence to an explanation meant for idiots. It's backwards compatible is all.

I'm just looking for an Ultra2 wide drive is all. It *has* to be ultra 2 wide or older. I have "extra" u160 drives, but they won't work on this system

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Thin cables might make for a meaningful improvement in airflow in cramped chassis, I suppose. I dunno, standard LVD cabling isn't causing problems for me as it is. If it ain't broke... yep.

Incidentally, if any SCSI-holics meander in here, Hypermicro just knocked another ~10% off the price of the 36Gb Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's and the 18Gb Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's. Mmmmm, tempting...

Looking for those right now. Thanks!

I thought ultra 2 was basically the 80mB/s SCSI where as SCSI3 was the 160mB/s. Why would one drive be listed as both ultra2 and scsi3?

Non-authoritative answer: IIRC, SCSI-3 is 16-bit and can be used with the Ultra2, Ultra160 or Ultra320 protocols. Which drive are you considering there?

 

[mechBgon]

If I had "extra" U160 drives, I'd be considering that $90 LSI Logic U160 card kit they've got, too, unless you're running out of PCI slots or something.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
If I had "extra" U160 drives, I'd be considering that $90 LSI Logic U160 card kit they've got, too, unless you're running out of PCI slots or something.

I have 3 u160 cards:
1x tekram DC-390U3W (I think)
2x Adaptec 29160 (1 x 29160N, but I don't know the difference off hand)

I have 3 u160 drives:
1x IBM 36gB 10k rpm
1x fujitsu 18gB 10k rpm
1x ibm 18gB 10k rpm

I want to move the tekram from the future Linux system to my Sun Ultra 10 because that symbios chipset is supported under OpenBSD's sparc64 port, while the adaptecs are not. But, and this is a big but, the siop driver (for the symbios card) accepts a maximum of ultra2-wide drives, so the 3rd (or "extra") u160 drive is useless in that system. So the "extra" u160 drive will probably go in the soon to be Linux system with the other 18gBer. Not too complicated I guess

Anyhow, I kind of got paid to take the ibm 18gB drive and the second adaptec 29160, so I can't complain

 

[Pariah]

It *has* to be ultra 2 wide or older.

Why?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Pariah

It *has* to be ultra 2 wide or older.

Why?

Driver issues. For some reason the drivers for that chip does not like u160 drives, but ultra2-wide and older work just fine.