What the heck is a "reverse mortgage"?

spidey07

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The premise just seems so wrong. OK! So you've paid off your house, now do this fancy new thing! The "reverse mortgage".

The promise is a steady stream of income but there are no details given. Are you handing over the home in exchange for that income? It just doesn't smell right.

The marketing is all the same, the senior couple touring the world or the single grey haired dude driving a ferrari. It seems little more than "make a million dollars while working at home!". Sad thing is I can see people falling for it.
 

Scouzer

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It's actually really common... major banks do it... and it's not a scam.

I think the premise is the bank is slowly buying your house, and when you die your life insurance pays off the new debt to the bank.
 

mzkhadir

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About Reverse Mortgages

A reverse mortgage enables older homeowners (62+) to convert part of the equity in their homes into tax-free income without having to sell the home, give up title, or take on a new monthly mortgage payment. The reverse mortgage is aptly named because the payment stream is ?reversed.? Instead of making monthly payments to a lender, as with a regular mortgage, a lender makes payments to you. Below are some common questions asked by consumers about reverse mortgages.

How Much Money Can I Get?

The amount of funds you are eligible to receive depends on your age (or the age of the youngest spouse in the case of couples), the appraised home value, interest rates, and in the case of the government program, the lending limit in your area. In general, the older you are and the more valuable your home (and the less you owe on your home), the more money you can get.

Does My Home Qualify?

Eligible property types include single-family homes, 2-4 unit properties, manufactured homes (built after June 1976), condominiums, and townhouses. In general, cooperative housing is ineligible. However, some lenders have developed private programs that lend on co-ops in New York.

What are My Payment Plan Options?
You can choose to receive the money from a reverse mortgage all at once as a lump sum, fixed monthly payments either for a set term or for as long as you live in the home, as a line of credit, or a combination of these. The most popular option ? chosen by more than 60 percent of borrowers ? is the line of credit, which allows you to draw on the loan proceeds at any time. To learn more, click here.

My Understanding is that the Unused Balance in the Line of Credit Option Has a Growth Feature. Does that Mean I'm Earning Interest?

No, you're not earning interest like you do with a savings account. The growth factor, which is equal to roughly the interest that you're being charged, takes into consideration that your home has appreciated in value over the past 12 months and that you are one year older.

How Can I Use the Proceeds from a Reverse Mortgage?

The proceeds from a reverse mortgage can be used for anything, whether its to supplement retirement income to cover daily living expenses, repair or modify your home (i.e., widening halls or installing a ramp), pay for health care, pay off existing debts, buy a new car or take a "dream" vacation, cover property taxes, and prevent foreclosure.

How Does the Interest Work on a Reverse Mortgage?

With a reverse mortgage, you are charged interest only on the proceeds that you receive. Most reverse mortgages charge a variable interest rate (although fixed rate products are entering the marketplace) that is tied to an index, such as the 1-Yr. Treasury Bill or the London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR), plus a margin that typically adds an additional one to three percentage points onto the rate you're charged. Interest is not paid out of your available loan proceeds, but instead compounds over the life of the loan until repayment occurs.

Are There Any Special Requirements to Get a Reverse Mortgage?

As long as you own a home, are at least 62, and have enough equity in your home, you can get a reverse mortgage. There are no special income or medical requirements.

What If I Have An Existing Mortgage?

You may qualify for a reverse mortgage even if you still owe money on an existing mortgage. However, the reverse mortgage must be in a first lien position, so any existing indebtedness must be paid off. You can pay off the existing mortgage with a reverse mortgage, money from your savings, or assistance from a family member or friend.

For example, let's say you owe $100,000 on an existing mortgage. Based on your age, home value, and interest rates, you qualify for $125,000 under the reverse mortgage program. Under this scenario, you will be able to pay off ALL the existing mortgage and still have $25,000 left over to use as you wish.

If, however, you only qualify for $85,000, then you would need to come up with $15,000 from your own savings to get the reverse mortgage. Even then, all the money from the reverse mortgage will have been used to pay off the existing mortgage. On the other hand, you won't have a monthly mortgage payment anymore.

If you find yourself in a deficit situation where you don't have enough money to pay off the existing mortgage, you may use funds from a grant or gift from a family member or friend to cover the gap, but you cannot incur a new debt obligation (i.e., loan).

What Is the Service Fee Set-Aside?

Under the FHA HECM program, you are charged a monthly servicing fee that ranges from $30-$35 to manage your account once the loan closes. The SFSA is an estimate of what the total servicing fees will be over the life of the loan, by multplying your life expectancy (converted from years into months) multiplied by either $30 or $35.

Although it's not considered a closing cost, the SFSA can equal several thousand dollars, which is deducted from your available loan proceeds. You do not have access to that money, nor do you earn interest.

Will I Lose My Government Assistance If I Get a Reverse Mortgage?

A reverse mortgage does not affect regular Social Security or Medicare benefits. However, if you are on Medicaid, any reverse mortgage proceeds that you receive must be used immediately. Funds that you retain would count as an asset and could impact Medicaid eligibility. For example, if you receive $4,000 in a lump sum for home repairs and spend it all the same calendar month, everything is fine. Any residual funds remaining in your bank account the following month would count as an asset. If the total liquid resources (including other bank funds and savings bonds) exceed $2,000 for an individual or $3,000 for a couple, you would be ineligible for Medicaid. To be safe, you should contact the local Area Agency on Aging or a Medicaid expert.

Why Do I Need to Get Counseling?

Counseling is one of the most important consumer protections built into the program. It requires an independent third-party to make sure you understand the program, and review alternative options, before you apply for a reverse mortgage.

You can seek counseling from a local HUD-approved counseling agency, or a national counseling agency, such as AARP (800-209-8085), National Foundation for Credit Counseling (866-698-6322), and Money Management International (877-908-2227). Counseling is required for all reverse mortgages and may be conducted face-to-face or by telephone.

By law, a counselor must review (i) options, other than a reverse mortgage, that are available to the prospective borrower, including housing, social services, health and financial alternatives; (ii) other home equity conversion options that are or may become available to the prospective borrower, such as property tax deferral programs; (iii) the financial implications of entering into a reverse mortgage; and, (iv) the tax consequences affecting the prospective borrower?s eligibility under state or federal programs and the impact on the estate or his or her heirs.

When Do I Pay Back My Loan?

No monthly payments are due on a reverse mortgage while it is outstanding. The loan is repaid when you cease to occupy your home as a principal residence, whether you (the last remaining spouse, in cases of couples) pass away, sell the home, or permanently move out. The amount owed can never exceed the value of your home. Furthermore, if the home is sold and the sales proceeds exceed the amount owed on the reverse mortgage, the excess money goes to you or your estate.

Under What Circumstances Should I Not Consider a Reverse Mortgage?

Because of the upfront costs associated with a reverse mortgage, if you intend to leave your home within 2-3 years, there may be other less expensive options to consider, such as home equity loans, no-interest loans or grants that may be offered by your county government or a local non-profit to repair your home, or a tax deferral program, if you're having problems paying your property taxes. Also, if you want to leave your home to your children, then you should consider other options, because in many cases, the home is sold to pay back a reverse mortgage.


from the website : http://www.reversemortgage.org/
 

ponyo

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Feb 14, 2002
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The upfront fees and costs are really high so it's not a good option for most people.
 

StageLeft

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They don't get scammed out of the money, you do if you were going to inherit their money, though. It's really just like a HELOC with some differing conditions, I suppose.
 

LostWanderer

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Seems like I remember seeing a bumper sticker that said something to the effect... "We're spending our kids inheritance!" That about sums it up.

It's a pretty sad commentary that you work 15-30 years trying to pay for a place to hang your hat, then once you get there, the bank starts giving your money back hoping they won't have to pay you for as long as you paid them.
 

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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It is legit. A lot of older people have very little income, no savings, and a ton of equity. A reverse mortgage allows them to stay in their home and live a good life off of the equity. It's not like they can take the money with them.
 
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: her209
Seems like they would fair better just selling the dang thing.

So they can live where exactly?

That's what I was going to say. The nice thing about a RM is that you can live in the house for as long as you are able to and receive a steady income or lump sum of cash.
 

kranky

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Oct 9, 1999
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Like any financial instrument, it's a good choice for some people and a bad choice for others. It's certainly no scam.
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
It's your money, use it when YOU need it!

damn I hate that commercial. ;)
RANT: "If you were frickin responsible to begin with you would have your money and someone wouldn't have to manage it for you idiot! But you are too stupid and would lose all of your settlement/whatever money on hookers and blow so we have to handhold your simple-minded ass and manage it for you. But if you want to pay some lawyers a hugeass fee to sue us, then we'll oblige and let you have your money, but don't come crying to us in two weeks when you're out on the streets wondering where your money is, ass."
 

Sphexi

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Doesn't look like a scam. Looks like the bank is slowly buying the house from them, while allowing them to live in it until they kick it. Somewhere in there it also says that they require the people to go through counseling before signing the paperwork, so they fully understand what they're doing and what the bottom line is. Hard to scam someone when they've sat down with a financial counselor and had everything spelled out for them.
 

Pheran

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Yup - I don't know why you think this is a scam. It is just like slowly selling your house. As kranky astutely pointed out, whether or not it makes sense for any given person depends on their particular situation.
 

Gooberlx2

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My grandmother-in-law started a reverse mortgage probably 6-7 years ago. There's no chance she's going to live for the next 20-odd years (unless she breaks some records), and it provides an income above that of social security. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.