What the Bush cabal really thinks about Evangelicals

[International Machine Consortium]

Bush aides 'mocked evangelicals'

A new book by a former US official says President Bush's top political advisers privately ridiculed evangelical leaders, while publicly embracing them.

David Kuo says the aides recognised the religious leaders' political use in securing election victories.

I am SO SHOCKED that Bush and his cronies would USE people just to GET Votes! :roll:
I wonder what they think of their role as TOOLS for Bush.

The White House has denied the claims by Mr Kuo, a former official in the Faith-Based Initiatives programme.

The Republican party is concerned the allegations may harm its standing in next month's mid-term elections.

Yes, that would be terrible, wouldn't it....

he former official alleges senior aides to the president described the evangelical leaders in private as "nuts" and "goofy", while acknowledging their political use in securing election wins.

Huh! "Nuts"? Oddly, that fills me with relief.

See Tony Snow's lame response here!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Dang, and I was always so sure that the "Bush cabal" really loved the Reverend Al-Sharpton.

 

[Genx87]

Do believe this is a repost.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I wonder if Hell has frozen over, I agree for once with 'senior aides to the President', "The former official alleges senior aides to the president described the evangelical leaders in private as "nuts" and "goofy", while acknowledging their political use in securing election wins."

 

[Craig234]

What's remarkable is that after 6 years a senior person spoke out the truth, despite their attempts to use only 'loyal' appointees. That's because the cynical Bush political people were unable to dictate who all the religious right's representation would be; that'll get better for them if they keep power.

Hopefully, they won't. This book should seriously harm the relationship, but the problem is, these people are largely a bit nuts (the Dobsons and Robertsons and such) and they're quite brainwashed against the democrats. They're finding themselves in the unenviable position of learning how much they've mmade themselves pawns of the republicans.

No doubt they'll get some extra concessions though to help them get past this 'bump'. How ironic, though, that they make a 'deal with the devil'.

Many like to complain that African Americans need better leaders; the same can be said for right-wing Christians. Even the 'good guy' in this story, the one who told the truth in this new book and was dedicated all along to the poor, did a lot of wrong, such as going to the political arm (Ken Mehlman) and offering to secretly politicize the program to get money for it.

 

[Lemon law]

Well this exact story was on 60 minutes yesterday---and squares with other GWB statements that he is cynically using the religious right for political gain while showing open contempt for them in private.

But this notions the religious right's so called leaders like Robertson need to notice that they are being used is ludicrous---because many of the so called leaders of the so called religious right are walking arm in arm with GWB to the bank---and gloating how easy it is to fool the pawns for profits and votes---and are all but in bed with GWB.---but when it comes time to
deliver anything---they won't even bother to consult with the religious right on the Harriet Miers nomination---much less take a stand on real abortion legislation---or money for poverty programs.

But if I were a religious right member, I would be deeply upset with the David Kuo allegations---and be asking what would Jesus do?---somehow I don't think Jesus would ever be doing what GWB is doing.---run down the list of commandments---give him a present passing grade on adultery---me thinks he flunks the rest.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well this exact story was on 60 minutes yesterday---and squares with other GWB statements that he is cynically using the religious right for political gain while showing open contempt for them in private.

But this notions the religious right's so called leaders like Robertson need to notice that they are being used is ludicrous---because many of the so called leaders of the so called religious right are walking arm in arm with GWB to the bank---and gloating how easy it is to fool the pawns for profits and votes---and are all but in bed with GWB.---but when it comes time to
deliver anything---they won't even bother to consult with the religious right on the Harriet Miers nomination---much less take a stand on real abortion legislation---or money for poverty programs.

But if I were a religious right member, I would be deeply upset with the David Kuo allegations---and be asking what would Jesus do?---somehow I don't think Jesus would ever be doing what GWB is doing.---run down the list of commandments---give him a present passing grade on adultery---me thinks he flunks the rest.

You know, I watched the bit and I've heard about the book, but when I hear about their religious leaders being used -- specifically Falwell, Robertson and Dobson -- I have to laugh about it. Those three are political leaders who just happen to be religious. The stances they take coincide overwhelmingly with the GOP.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is in the nature of a scam artists to hate the people they scam. A scam artist feels he is worthless and too bad, to good in his mind, to actually work for a living. His self revulsion extends to any who do not see him for what he is. He destroys himself by using them and naturally has to hate them.

 

[ayabe]

I just hope this really puts the Evangelicals where they belong, OUT OF POLITICS!

 

[Vic]

How is this even news? I've been saying it for years. Bush is a Methodist FFS. And it's politics as usual for both sides. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply naive.

 

[jrenz]

Do you think any other politician is different? All any of them care about is votes. You should know that by now.

 

[Pabster]

What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Pabster
What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Yeah, about as "liberal quack" as former bush staffers get. :roll:


Might try reading a little bit of the OP next time junior. You get a

 

[Craig234]

What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Pabster has an error in every post he makes in politics.

On this one, theauthor in question is a leading conservative evangelical, with many years background om that area.

He still thinks Bush is a 'good man', if that keeps you fro sucking your thumb for comfort.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Pabster
What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what it is. :roll:

 

[GeNome]

Originally posted by: Pabster
What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Actually, he's an "evangelical Christian" and a "card-carrying member of the Religious Right". Read before you post.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: ayabe
I just hope this really puts the Evangelicals where they belong, OUT OF POLITICS!

What does that mean exactly?

 

[shurato]

Originally posted by: GeNome

Originally posted by: Pabster
What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Actually, he's an "evangelical Christian" and a "card-carrying member of the Religious Right". Read before you post.

You see how quick on the trigger Bush Fanboi's are. Reading comprehension isn't a prerequisite.. I mean its obviously not one for Bush as a President so the sheep tend to follow in his footsteps.

 

[Craig234]

What would be the ultimate example of Bush being a politician using religion to get elected, apart from his history, such as his saying he is great at manipulating them?

(As Bush was campaigning for his father, seeing him lose, he discovered the many right-wing religious voters, and that he was able to talk to them. He 'struck oil', so to speak).

Perhaps it would be if he were to cut off contact with the very preacher who led Bush to become born again, if the preacher said anything negative about Bush politically.

Well, it's not 'if', it happened; the preacher said Bush should pay more attention to issues of poverty, and his welcome at the White House was cut off.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: GeNome

Originally posted by: Pabster
What is this, another liberal quack trying to sell books, hoping to drop a bomb before an election?

Actually, he's an "evangelical Christian" and a "card-carrying member of the Religious Right". Read before you post.

You see how quick on the trigger Bush Fanboi's are. Reading comprehension isn't a prerequisite.. I mean its obviously not one for Bush as a President so the sheep tend to follow in his footsteps.

I like the way Al Franken describe the culture as "...kind of like a book club in reverse. This week we will not be reading the 'Future of Iraq' report."

 

[hellokeith]

Like I said in the first thread on this topic, we got 2 conservative interpretive Supreme Court justices appointed, and we may get a third. They will positively affect the course of this country for decades to come. I could care less if anyone in Washington D.C. likes me or hates me or doesn't even know my name.

The point of this thread is bashing evangelicals by liberals for liberals. There aren't any evangelicals who were "hurt" by what was or was not said.. we aren't naive, as you libs may incorrectly think.

 

[fitzov]

Bush is a United Methodist--hardly an evangelical.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Like I said in the first thread on this topic, we got 2 conservative interpretive Supreme Court justices appointed, and we may get a third. They will positively affect the course of this country for decades to come. I could care less if anyone in Washington D.C. likes me or hates me or doesn't even know my name.

The point of this thread is bashing evangelicals by liberals for liberals. There aren't any evangelicals who were "hurt" by what was or was not said.. we aren't naive, as you libs may incorrectly think.

Actually, the point of the thread is a real evangelical telling how the admin treats them, what it thinks about them. But thanks for getting it wrong like Pabster.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Like I said in the first thread on this topic, we got 2 conservative interpretive Supreme Court justices appointed, and we may get a third. They will positively affect the course of this country for decades to come. I could care less if anyone in Washington D.C. likes me or hates me or doesn't even know my name.

The point of this thread is bashing evangelicals by liberals for liberals. There aren't any evangelicals who were "hurt" by what was or was not said.. we aren't naive, as you libs may incorrectly think.

Actually, the point of the thread is a real evangelical telling how the admin treats them, what it thinks about them. But thanks for getting it wrong like Pabster.

What in the hell is Rove putting in that Kool-Aid these days?!?!? Seems like Drano given how shrill P&N's peanut gallery is getting.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: Pens1566Actually, the point of the thread is a real evangelical telling how the admin treats them, what it thinks about them. But thanks for getting it wrong like Pabster.

So the original poster, International Machine Consortium, is an evangelical upset about aides' comments? No, he's a lib putting out this thread to bash evan's and bash Bush.

You're just another lib not paying attention to the prior 2 minutes. It's ok, our 2 conservative Supreme Court Justices will make this country better for both you and me.