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What Taxes Do Public Workers Not Have to Pay?

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Jmman said:
I work for a city government and do not pay ss since we have our own pension plan. It really all depends on what type of retirement they have though. This also does not mean that I will not get ss payments either, since I have paid in for many years before I got this job. My ss, if it even exists when I retire, might be reduced though.....
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If you've worked 40 quarters under SS, other income affects SS payments not at all under current rules. Means testing, another attempted screw-job, likely would.
 
spidey07 said:
Social Security is all I can think of and that depends on if they have a state or federal retirement setup.
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I remember you. You were angry at me in some other thread, and telling me that teachers didn't have to pay taxes. So, now they do have to pay taxes, spidey?
 
TalonStrike said:
I remember you. You were angry at me in some other thread, and telling me that teachers didn't have to pay taxes. So, now they do have to pay taxes, spidey?
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I remember you as well you misinformed idiot. Let me guess, you are listening to liberal propaganda or are a student being spoon fed shit you have no idea about the "real world".

Please point out where I said in this thread or any other where state or federal employees don't pay taxes. The only one in play is SS/DI. Hell, even the libtards agree on this. Remember young one, I have personal experience and have pointed out the only taxes that teachers don't pay taxes on as have many others with PERSONAL experience have. It depends on state and it only has to do with SS, that is it depending on state, position, etc.

Get out in the real world before you spout your shit. Pay some taxes, get a job and work. You know why they say in college "the real world is scary", well guess what, it's a bitch.

I and other folks have clearly demonstrated what taxes aren't paid by public workers. Are you not giving your fair share liberal? Are you angry because you're not paying your fair share? My guess is not. Fuck you. Your state is doing incredible things to stop the madness.
 
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boomerang said:
/facepalm
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Feel free to show the math.

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I went ahead and did the math. It turns out that if the employers were to pay the employee's share of the SS tax, the employee ends up getting exactly the same net check and the employer spends exactly the same amount on the employee. I stuck income tax in my calculation (excluding deductions for simplicity) as I wanted to see if the lower initial salary mattered. However, since the employer-paid employee side of the SS tax is a taxable benefit and has to be added back into the tax base for income tax purposes, it all cancels out.

Case 1: Employer pays employee share of SS
Total Cost 100,000
Salary 88,235.29
Employer SS 11,764.71
Employee SS 0.00
Taxable income 94,117.65
Income tax (25&#37😉 23,529.41
Net to employee 64,705.88


Case 2: Employee pays employee share of SS
Total Cost 100,000
Salary 94,117.65
Employer SS 5,882.35
Employee SS 5,882.35
Taxable income 94,117.65
Income tax (25%) 23,529.41
Net to employee 64,705.88
 
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SS is one item that some education workers do not pay into. There is a reason for this. The reason is not what you think. If I was taxed for SS, then my employer, the government would have to pay the matching amount of my SS tax to the federal government also, virtually the government would be taxing itself.

There is however, a Federal law which states that my SS can be reduced based on some formula if I receive a pension. Even though half of the money for the pension is actually based off of my own donations to the pension plan, I would lose a substantial amount up to two thrids of my SS money could be forfeited. Even if I had over 10 years of quarters with significant donations, which is enough to qualify for SS, I could lose 2/3rds of my SS money.

This is the problem with working in the education industry.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10045.html#how
 
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IronWing said:
Feel free to show the math.

Edit:

I went ahead and did the math. It turns out that if the employers were to pay the employee's share of the SS tax, the employee ends up getting exactly the same net check and the employer spends exactly the same amount on the employee. I stuck income tax in my calculation (excluding deductions for simplicity) as I wanted to see if the lower initial salary mattered. However, since the employer-paid employee side of the SS tax is a taxable benefit and has to be added back into the tax base for income tax purposes, it all cancels out.

Case 1: Employer pays employee share of SS
Total Cost 100,000
Salary 88,235.29
Employer SS 11,764.71
Employee SS 0.00
Taxable income 94,117.65
Income tax (25%) 23,529.41
Net to employee 64,705.88


Case 2: Employee pays employee share of SS
Total Cost 100,000
Salary 94,117.65
Employer SS 5,882.35
Employee SS 5,882.35
Taxable income 94,117.65
Income tax (25%) 23,529.41
Net to employee 64,705.88
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Nice little exercise your goose-stepping left wing brain went through there. Lots of calculations based on an extrapolation you made from two of my posts. You're out in left field.

My original post was a response to the OP's question. That being, "What taxes do public workers not have to pay?". You turned my post, which was just an answer, into a reason to get up on a political soapbox. You took it as a quest to prove a point that only matters to people such as yourself. You looked like a fool which is why you got the /facepalm. Now, after all the extremely impressive math you did, I just can't find the right word to describe you but I do know that genius is not one that I'd choose.

The progressive mind is nothing if not predictable. I don't say that as a compliment.
 
boomerang said:
Nice little exercise your goose-stepping left wing brain went through there. Lots of calculations based on an extrapolation you made from two of my posts. You're out in left field.

My original post was a response to the OP's question. That being, "What taxes do public workers not have to pay?". You turned my post, which was just an answer, into a reason to get up on a political soapbox. You took it as a quest to prove a point that only matters to people such as yourself. You looked like a fool which is why you got the /facepalm. Now, after all the extremely impressive math you did, I just can't find the right word to describe you but I do know that genius is not one that I'd choose.

The progressive mind is nothing if not predictable. I don't say that as a compliment.
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So in other words your statement about teachers receiving a "luxury" benefit was just a throw away sound bite intended to muddy the waters without providing anything useful to the discussion, you know, just plain bullshit. Your bullshit is duly noted as is your lack of useful contribution to the thread.
 
Actually, there's a well known loophole in the law whereby if you've worked for a gov't (state or federal) and they provide you with a pension (PERS for teachers here in CA, or for federal employees), you cannot EVER collect SS in any form if you've had private sector jobs where you were (by law of course) required to pay into SS. This has actually affected my father, who worked for a state institution doing research for 20 years (got a pension with them) but also worked in private industry, including starting his own business. He paid in SS for 40+ quarters, but won't see any of it. That may change at some point in the future, but it's the law.

Yet further evidence that federal/state benefits aren't nearly as generous as wingnuts claim they are.
 
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It is kind of a lie when someone is paying into their own pension fund (100% Matched) and then they say it is a government pension. It is only half of a government pension. I am sure for high schools that all school systems are run differently. There are probably school districts where all of the pension is paid by the government. I work at a community college not a high school. When I started working in the 90's my pay was less then $20k a year. I was the working poor.
 
piasabird said:
It is kind of a lie when someone is paying into their own pension fund (100% Matched) and then they say it is a government pension. It is only half of a government pension. I am sure for high schools that all school systems are run differently. There are probably school districts where all of the pension is paid by the government. I work at a community college not a high school. When I started working in the 90's my pay was less then $20k a year. I was the working poor.
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This was the point I was trying to make above. Some forms of compensation show in one spot on one paystub and in a different spot on others. The worker costs the employer a total amount. Whether the paystub says the worker received an employer paid benefit (with smaller salary shown) or the worker paid for the benefit through a payroll deduction (with larger salary shown) really doesn't matter. The employer paid the same total and the worker received the same compensation.
 
marvdmartian said:
For Federal civil service, the old CSRS (civil service retirement system), was replaced in the mid-80's with the present-day FERS (federal employee retirement system). CSRS employees didn't have to pay into Social Security, but they also cannot collect from it until they pay into it (used to be 20 quarters, or 5 years......now it's 40 quarters, or 10 years, minimum).

FERS employees have to pay the same taxes as anyone else. Their retirement systems also isn't as generous as the old CSRS, but they had the opportunity to pay into a 401K style plan, called Thrift Savings Plan, aka TSP (and get matching contributions from Uncle Sam). CSRS employees (of which there aren't that many around anymore) eventually got to contribute to TSP, but do not get matching funds from Uncle.

Oh, and no matter how many studies they make, that allegedly show that federal civil service employees make twice as much as private company employees, try to remember that a large percentage of federal civil service employees live around high cost of living areas, like Washington DC, San Diego, Seattle, etc. Especially around DC, many of them are VERY high ranking executive-rank employees (think Secretary of Defense, Commerce, State, etc, and their direct deputies, down 3 or 4 levels of management). Executive series employees do make pretty good bank, but it's because of the level of responsibility (think CEO, COO, company presidents and vp's, etc). Many more of them are managerial and supervisory GS pay grades, who also make pretty good money, especially as the GS pay scale pays cost of living allowance in high cost of living areas.

Take away all those people, and just count the working men and women, doing their day to day jobs, and you'll find that the vast majority of them could make much better money "on the outside".
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Quoted for truth. I make 16.32 an hour working for uncle sam. My private sector equivalent starts at $18 in this area. However I stay with uncle sam because I feel I have better job security with him.
 
I can only spend the money I take home or some benefit that is paid for. I dont know what world you live in!

Also typically if a person is not having to pay the the SS tax their pay is reduced because they done have to make the extra money to pay the tax and the state does not have to pay the tax either.

I also spent 10 years in the military and probably another 10 years doing other jobs like making small arms ammunition. It is not like I am a lifetime education worker. I also made wood windows and for a while and delivered pizza. The government forgets all this hard work and just wants to penalize me for working in Education for 15 years. A lot of people are in this kind of situation.
 
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