What stopping manufacturers to release an "ULTRA WIDE" Monitors?

[smpsys]

I mean, why can't engineers combine two (24") lcd monitors into one long monitor?

Is it impossible to create logic board that can drive ultra wide resolution? We now got a single video cards that can handle eyefinity!

I don't understand whats holding it back. Please explain me in engineering terms if possible.

I'm currently on dell ultra sharp 20" 2005W and don't feel like investing in a normal monitor anymore.

Sorry, could not find any info online.

Thanks.

 

[Murloc]

I'm not an engineer but I can throw in a few ideas:
- there might not be enough market to justify the cost
- it's difficult to create working panels that long (with not too many dead pixels)
- if it's possible, it may cost too much

 

[PottedMeat]

the problem is the seam between two panels. there's a company that combines 2+ panels and at the seams compresses the incoming image. they put a lens on top of the panels that decompresses the picture so that it looks continuous across the panels. you're gonna pay though - $10k for a 40" screen, $20k for 60". I guess all the $$$ is in the image processing.

 

[silverpig]

the problem is the seam between two panels. there's a company that combines 2+ panels and at the seams compresses the incoming image. they put a lens on top of the panels that decompresses the picture so that it looks continuous across the panels. you're gonna pay though - $10k for a 40" screen, $20k for 60". I guess all the $$$ is in the image processing.

He's talking about making it a single panel...

 

[smpsys]

I'm not an engineer but I can throw in a few ideas:
- there might not be enough market to justify the cost
- it's difficult to create working panels that long (with not too many dead pixels)
- if it's possible, it may cost too much

I see what you mean but, I don't necessarily agree with you.

Speaking of the market. All the time I see people in forums and on youtube showing off their eyefinity systems with 3 monitors or more. Remember the curved ultra wide monitor that Aleanware showed on CES 2008?

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yT6OuGXmGo&feature=fvwrel

A lot of people(mainly gamers) were excited about the idea and experience. I'm sure Aleanware payed a lot money to put their name on the display. If I'm not mistaking, its originally made by NEC. Based on all that, it seems that there is a big demand from both; gamers and Excel users.lol

Speaking of dead pixels, it looks to me that most monitors today come with no dead pixcels or people don't even notice them if they are there. There are few different panels in the market. Could be the reason why we don't see dead pixels. Logic tells me that if i can place an order for two 24" monitors and receive them with no deal pixels then the manufacturers can combine the who panels with (almost) no dead pixels.
I still don't understand why its that difficult to make that big of panel. We got 40" LCD TVs that cost $500. I would pay 1k for a monitor of the same size with a high resolution. Gamers invest a lot of money on their systems(including watercooling price). I'm sure they would not mind spending 1k+ on a gaming monitor that can replace their 3(xx") monitors with bezels in between the display.

I agree that it would cost too much but i don't understand why? I payed $750 for my dell 20" ultra sharp monitor 6 years ago(and it was worth it). Today you can buy 20" monitor from $100-150, 40" tv for $500.

I still believe it has to do something with engineering the logic board. I'm not an true engineer yet, so I might be wrong about the logic board. Its like 32Bit CPU technology going into 64Bit CPU.lol I do hope its simpler then that.

It look to be that some one is expecting to have a 90% profit before they put ultra wide monitors out in the market:|

What do you guys think?

 

[wirednuts]

i think its nothing more then market demand. the small niche that would love the screens dont justify one of the very few panel makers to pump out weird sized displays. youre also right in that new logic boards would have to be designed, but again its really just because only a select few companies actually make displays and they make all of the basic parts. other subcontracted companies buy up these parts and make their branded final products. just like cars, it takes a lot of money and demand to force a change.

 

[Blitz KriegeR]

I agree the general pubic of fools who buy $300 dell crap wouldn't be an appealing market, but i think there is enough interest in us enthusiasts. I paid $700 for my IPS 24" ultra sharp few years back and i love it. I'm also running dual displays, and would be on triple if my GPU could deal with it. Two friends I know also are dual setups. I think there is market enough if someone would test the waters!

 

[uclabachelor]

I mean, why can't engineers combine two (24") lcd monitors into one long monitor?

Is it impossible to create logic board that can drive ultra wide resolution? We now got a single video cards that can handle eyefinity!

I don't understand whats holding it back. Please explain me in engineering terms if possible.

I'm currently on dell ultra sharp 20" 2005W and don't feel like investing in a normal monitor anymore.

Sorry, could not find any info online.

Thanks.

I am an engineer and and here are some of the reasons why:

1) Not enough or unknown demand.
2) Development & manufacturing cost and time. The first piece is always the most expensive.
3) Non-standard resolution.

 

[fail]

I am an engineer and and here are some of the reasons why:

1) Not enough or unknown demand.
2) Development & manufacturing cost and time. The first piece is always the most expensive.
3) Non-standard resolution.

What kind of engineer?

 

[beginner99]

Logic tells me that if i can place an order for two 24" monitors and receive them with no deal pixels then the manufacturers can combine the who panels with (almost) no dead pixels.

If it is a naively ultra wide monitor, chance that it has a dead pixel is exactly doubled compared to a single wide monitor. Also if you then have to throw it away, the manufacturing company throwing away double the amount of "material".
So you have double chance of a fault and each fault has twice the impact.

 

[smpsys]

I am an engineer and and here are some of the reasons why:

1) Not enough or unknown demand.
2) Development & manufacturing cost and time. The first piece is always the most expensive.
3) Non-standard resolution.

1) agree (I don't thing Aleanware will agree with you though. They know that there is a demand, but don't know what they doing about it).

2) So you saying that we will need to wait, say 5 years to have such monitor that will cost in 1k range? ( I guess the only hope is to wait until GPU manufacturer starts selling ultra wide monitors with their high end cards as a combo).


3) So what? It can be standard in a heart beat! Look at dell 27U monitor. Its got 2550x1440 resolution. It looks like manufacturers can develop logic board that can drive a maximum specific resolution, just like any monitor.

So we only need to take care of #2 = $ problem.

I just realize that manufacturers charge consumers for number of pixels on one display. So, more pixels on the display=more money. This makes me believe that its an engineering problem pushing logic boards to the next level.

 

[Howard]

I don't have enough space on my desk for more than one big monitor.

 

[smpsys]

i think its nothing more then market demand. the small niche that would love the screens dont justify one of the very few panel makers to pump out weird sized displays. youre also right in that new logic boards would have to be designed, but again its really just because only a select few companies actually make displays and they make all of the basic parts. other subcontracted companies buy up these parts and make their branded final products. just like cars, it takes a lot of money and demand to force a change.

True!

 

[smpsys]

I agree the general pubic of fools who buy $300 dell crap wouldn't be an appealing market,

That is the problem. I believe those fools are in control of the market. All they do is: facebook, youtube and MS ward. All they need is an integrated GPU and a 17" monitor that they got as a gift from dell

 

[smpsys]

I don't have enough space on my desk for more than one big monitor.

That's why you surrounded by walls. As least I hope you are:biggrin:

Ever seen a TV on the a wall? I got my monitor on the wall and still have room for two more()

 

[smpsys]

If it is a naively ultra wide monitor, chance that it has a dead pixel is exactly doubled compared to a single wide monitor. Also if you then have to throw it away, the manufacturing company throwing away double the amount of "material".
So you have double chance of a fault and each fault has twice the impact.

Yes, but don't you thing that a lot of things improved over time for things like that not to happen or be minimized?

I just scrolled through newegg's monitors and most have 4 to 5 star rating on LCD monitors. It looks like a lot of people are happy with their purchase.

No one talks about pixel return policy anymore:\

 

[wirednuts]

yeah i think dead pixels are nearly a thing of the past. i also think it was a way overblown problem to begin with.

 

[mammador]

Depends. HP, Acer, Lenovo and co. will do so if the demand for it exists. Apotheker may have his market research team out as we speak, seeing if people will be willing to buy it lol.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Dead pixels were a huge problem. Were not seeing any of those threads anymore...

My old 720 27in LCDHDTV from 2000 has one dead pixel right in the middle. My T61 has weak pixels as i'd like to call them. sometimes they will distort colors or mess up a black or white, but otherwise work normally even in movies.

 

[uclabachelor]

1) agree (I don't thing Aleanware will agree with you though. They know that there is a demand, but don't know what they doing about it).

2) So you saying that we will need to wait, say 5 years to have such monitor that will cost in 1k range? ( I guess the only hope is to wait until GPU manufacturer starts selling ultra wide monitors with their high end cards as a combo).


3) So what? It can be standard in a heart beat! Look at dell 27U monitor. Its got 2550x1440 resolution. It looks like manufacturers can develop logic board that can drive a maximum specific resolution, just like any monitor.

So we only need to take care of #2 = $ problem.

I just realize that manufacturers charge consumers for number of pixels on one display. So, more pixels on the display=more money. This makes me believe that its an engineering problem pushing logic boards to the next level.

1) Alienware produces great gaming gear, but a lot of their hardware is off the shelf or uses existing technology, thus allowing them to sell at an affordable price point.

2) If there's enough demand, yes. If not, then who's going to take the financial risk to put such monitor out there to test waters?

3) Becoming a standard in a "heartbeat" is an oxymoron.

 

[smpsys]

"3) Becoming a standard in a "heartbeat" is an oxymoron".[/QUOTE]

You are right. Its just that I was shopping for a laptop and sow few strange resolutions that I never seen before. So laptop displays don't count I guess.

I guess I just need to wait for the demand to increase. I wounder how long will that take.........

 

[C1]

Your gonna have to wait a long time.

Its hard enough to find 1920 x 1200 much less to now expect panel doubling.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

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[Ninjahedge]

I have been waiting for the Dell 30" to come down to $800, but the best I have ever seen it at is $1000 with a sale/coupon/club discount combo.

These screens have been around for YEARS now, and they seem to hover at $1200-$1400 with new versions coming out, but no real drop in the older ones (just discontinuing).

If they come out with a 2550x1200 double wide monitor it will be the same. It will have extra features like more inputs and compatibility, a universal card reader and the like because it will be a niche market that they will want to satisfy. They will charge $1000+ for it as well.

Think about it, how many would need to see anything in 1:2.35 aspect ratio? You gonna be watching a bunch of old MGM fliks and want the full screen (minimal letterboxing)?

The only thing that a screen this wide is useful for are games and movies. Everything else can be done cheaper with 2 monitors (I have 2 1600x1200's at home and they work great... The only way up from there is the 30" and I have been waiting...)

 

[smpsys]

I have been waiting for the Dell 30" to come down to $800, but the best I have ever seen it at is $1000 with a sale/coupon/club discount combo.

These screens have been around for YEARS now, and they seem to hover at $1200-$1400 with new versions coming out, but no real drop in the older ones (just discontinuing).

If they come out with a 2550x1200 double wide monitor it will be the same. It will have extra features like more inputs and compatibility, a universal card reader and the like because it will be a niche market that they will want to satisfy. They will charge $1000+ for it as well.

Think about it, how many would need to see anything in 1:2.35 aspect ratio? You gonna be watching a bunch of old MGM fliks and want the full screen (minimal letterboxing)?

The only thing that a screen this wide is useful for are games and movies. Everything else can be done cheaper with 2 monitors (I have 2 1600x1200's at home and they work great... The only way up from there is the 30" and I have been waiting...)

I been looking into 30" as well just because of the resolution. I need it mainly for gaming. I multitask too most of the time. The only thing I'm warred about is my vision. There will be a lot of light coming from the monitor into my eyes:| Not sure how bad that is. Got to do some reading on that.

I can always use a small monitor as a secondary display for reading and stuff:biggrin: