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What should we do with Gitmo?

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So I came across this article on the NYT website and started thinking about detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html?_r=0

Obviously some people deserve to be there but there are others who are wrongfully being held and now they are going on a hunger strike. For those prisoners that we do have information that they were indeed terrorists should be kept there but people who we don't have evidence against should not be detained in this manner. It's time to send these people home or get rid of them. At this point wouldn't it be better to execute them rather than stick tubes and IV drips into them just to keep them around indefinitely?
 
Privatize it.

Then turn it into an experience park.

Realistically it should have only been a way station where people only stayed for a few weeks or months till they were properly sorted.

Much like nuclear waste these inmates have been tainted and some of the most extreme would be incompatible with even most maximum security prisons.

The worst part to me however is some of these inmates because of how they are being treated have little hope for rehabilitation. The torture and the shame will stay with them forever. They may have been wronged before but now....
 
Operating under the assumption that they haven't been holding any innocent people for this long without trial I would say the terrorists housed there should be tried by military tribunal and hung.

If there are any poor bastards who are innocent there then they should be released immediately and given compensation and counseling.
 
Last I heard, they had released nearly 80% of the population there. Pretty much a tacit admittance that many weren't dangerous terrorists. Which tells me that the remaining crew has a higher likelihood of being the actual thing.

They still need to come up with some sort of workable system for handling these sorts of folks. When the plan for the kangaroo courts collapsed, nothing concrete was ever designed, to my knowledge. I have to commend the military lawyers for their career threatening adherence to requiring some form of reasonable procedure.

The biggest problem I see is that they may know certain guys are dangerous terrorists, but they probably have no evidence admissable in most judicial proceedings.
 
Arglebargle said:
The biggest problem I see is that they may know certain guys are dangerous terrorists, but they probably have no evidence admissable in most judicial proceedings.
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That's the disadvantage of the presumption of innocence. The advantages surpass these far more though.

Also what does it matter if they're terrorists, holding them in guantanamo sure didn't stop other terrorists from doing terrorism (as shown by recent events).

Process and sentence those you can, free the rest and then use a drone strike on them and claim they were terrorists so it was justified. This way they can be executed in a legal way.
 
Murloc said:
That's the disadvantage of the presumption of innocence. The advantages surpass these far more though.

Also what does it matter if they're terrorists, holding them in guantanamo sure didn't stop other terrorists from doing terrorism (as shown by recent events).

Process and sentence those you can, free the rest and then use a drone strike on them and claim they were terrorists so it was justified. This way they can be executed in a legal way.
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Do you think you would react that way if you were unjustly held?
 
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The mad scientist in me wants to secretly implant them with GPS and other tech geegaws and release them to see where they go. Probably not actually feasible, but who knows what the NSA has up and running.
 
My biggest problem with Gitmo is that this is really the best way to make people angry at your country. Even if we ignore torture, or somehow kid ourselves into believing there wasn't any, holding people indefinitely without trial or even charges is such a blatant violation of human rights that this alone is enough to turn any normal bloke into a US-hating extremist.
 
Quantos said:
My biggest problem with Gitmo is that this is really the best way to make people angry at your country. Even if we ignore torture, or somehow kid ourselves into believing there wasn't any, holding people indefinitely without trial or even charges is such a blatant violation of human rights that this alone is enough to turn any normal bloke into a US-hating extremist.
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It's not only a violation of human rights but a violation of our principals, mainly the right of a speedy trial.
 
Even the most patriotic part of me can't justify holding these guys for longer than a year. If you can't extract any usable intelligence in 52 weeks then either let them go or charge them with something and put them in prison.

Some of these guys have been there for a decade right? That's nuts. Who could possibly think that's a good idea?! At this point they've made things worse.
 
Gitmo should be closed. These guys must be put into the civilian courts and tried and if found guilty then lock them up. Keeping them in Gitmo like this violates the US Constitution and it goes against our values and principles.

There is also the tremendous costs of operating Gitmo and it would actually be cheaper to house them in US jails .

The United States spends $114 million a year to run the Guantanamo prison, or about $687,747 per prisoner, according to the Government Accountability Office. That is about 20 times what the U.S. Bureau of Prisons spends per inmate to run its high-security prisons.
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http://tcf.org/blog/detail/we-literally-cant-afford-guantanamo-bay
 
Incorruptible said:
Gitmo should be closed. These guys must be put into the civilian courts and tried and if found guilty then lock them up. Keeping them in Gitmo like this violates the US Constitution and it goes against our values and principles.

There is also the tremendous costs of operating Gitmo and it would actually be cheaper to house them in US jails .



http://tcf.org/blog/detail/we-literally-cant-afford-guantanamo-bay
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That was tried, the government even bought a prison in Indiana (I think) to house them.
Suddenly every everyone had a huge case of NIMBY and the largely Republican HoR shut down the idea in a hurry.

So now we are left with a bunch of prisoners we can't bring to court, don't want to let go and can't house affordably.
 
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