What should I major in?

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

Hater.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I emailed the head of the CS dept- He told me that CST would be good for people who do poorly in math. He also mentioned Mechanical Engineering Technology- which does look attractive. Course lineup: http://www.letu.edu/academics/catalog/index.htm?cat_type=tu&cat_year=2003&degree=551

Not a lot of advanced math. What I really want to do is talk to those who are currently in CST and METC, and those who have graduated from them, so that I can find out what it's really like, especially about what kind of work I'll be able to get if I were to graduate from either one.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:



any reasonable head of an engineering dept would reply to that question by saying: "Don't apply here." not "why don't you try Mech Eng cause you don't need a lot of math for that."

jesus H christ....

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

Hater.

i'm not hating on you being a christian i am hating on you choosing a substandard school just because its a christian school. find a good university and get a good engineering degree and join some christian fellowship group on campus.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

Hater.

He's right though.

People don't hire you based on your religion, and you can be just as active in your religion at another university. Now if you got a huge scholarship to this school, that is another story.

But you shouldn't base what school you go to on your religion.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I emailed the head of the CS dept- He told me that CST would be good for people who do poorly in math. He also mentioned Mechanical Engineering Technology- which does look attractive. Course lineup: http://www.letu.edu/academics/catalog/index.htm?cat_type=tu&cat_year=2003&degree=551

Not a lot of advanced math. What I really want to do is talk to those who are currently in CST and METC, and those who have graduated from them, so that I can find out what it's really like, especially about what kind of work I'll be able to get if I were to graduate from either one.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:



any reasonable head of an engineering dept would reply to that question by saying: "Don't apply here." not "why don't you try Mech Eng cause you don't need a lot of math for that."

jesus H christ....

Thanks for missing the point. He first said that CST had less math than CSE and would be a better choice. Then, because I had mentioned that I would be in ME if I didn't suck at math , he added that they had an ME-type degree which didn't invovle as much math as other courses.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

Hater.

He's right though.

People don't hire you based on your religion, and you can be just as active in your religion at another university. Now if you got a huge scholarship to this school, that is another story.

But you shouldn't base what school you go to on your religion.

I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

You might as well learn to strengthen your faith now, 99% of the technical jobs out there will involve working side-by-side with jews, muslims, buddhists, agnostics, and . . .

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive

. . . radical atheists Like him .

Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator who operates outside of the laws of the physical universe, so the two are not mutually exclusive. It's only correct to say that some fields of science are in direct conflict with some extremist views of the bible as literal truth.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

You might as well learn to strengthen your faith now, 99% of the technical jobs out there will involve working side-by-side with jews, muslims, buddhists, agnostics, and . . .

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive

. . . radical atheists Like him .

ATOT = training grounds.

[/quote]Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator who operates outside of the laws of the physical universe, so the two are not mutually exclusive. It's only correct to say that some fields of science are in direct conflict with some extremist views of the bible as literal truth.[/quote]

I've got a whole dealie on that, but posting it on ATOT wouldn't get anyone anywhere.

Also, those who were saying that Letourneau's CS program sucks:

http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/display_newsrelease.jsp?newsrelease=31

 

[DAGTA]

Mechanical Engineering Technology has a lot of math in it as well. My friend and roommater majored in MET. He took many of the same Calculus and Physics classes I took as well as some advanced classes in other areas. This major requires a fair bit of design and CAD/CAM work. You cannot understand that work without a background with some mathematics.

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math. If you don't like math, may I suggest a business major, an elementary education major, a marketing major, or a communication major?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math.

For general software development not involving graphics, simulation or work with hard sciences, it's a strong base in logic that's crucial not math. A math "proofs" class will be much more useful as training than calculus, though both do teach problem-solving.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math.

For general software development not involving graphics, simulation or work with hard sciences, it's a strong base in logic that's crucial not math. A math "proofs" class will be much more useful as training than calculus, though both do teach problem-solving.

That's one funny thing- logic problems seems to make a lot more sense than ones involving numerical values associated with them. I like to blame my poor math education in grade school- none of my teachers were qualified, in fact we were given an incorrect copy of the multiplication tables. *shakes fist at tiny private school run by parents*

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math.

For general software development not involving graphics, simulation or work with hard sciences, it's a strong base in logic that's crucial not math. A math "proofs" class will be much more useful as training than calculus, though both do teach problem-solving.

Very true but you still have to get through the math classes to finish the degree in college.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math.

For general software development not involving graphics, simulation or work with hard sciences, it's a strong base in logic that's crucial not math. A math "proofs" class will be much more useful as training than calculus, though both do teach problem-solving.

That's one funny thing- logic problems seems to make a lot more sense than ones involving numerical values associated with them. I like to blame my poor math education in grade school- none of my teachers were qualified, in fact we were given an incorrect copy of the multiplication tables. *shakes fist at tiny private school run by parents*

It's never too late to learn. Remember Einstein was denied entrance to college because he was 'too stupid'. He bought some math, physics and other science books and went off to learn on his own for a few years. He came back the man we all know in history as a genius.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Any programming or engineering field is going to have a strong base in math.

For general software development not involving graphics, simulation or work with hard sciences, it's a strong base in logic that's crucial not math. A math "proofs" class will be much more useful as training than calculus, though both do teach problem-solving.

That's one funny thing- logic problems seems to make a lot more sense than ones involving numerical values associated with them. I like to blame my poor math education in grade school- none of my teachers were qualified, in fact we were given an incorrect copy of the multiplication tables. *shakes fist at tiny private school run by parents*

It's never too late to learn. Remember Einstein was denied entrance to college because he was 'too stupid'. He bought some math, physics and other science books and went off to learn on his own for a few years. He came back the man we all know in history as a genius.

I've been thinking about that for a while- it'd pretty much require complete retraining from the ground up- I'm wired wrong at the moment. Probably starting at some point pre-algebra. Honestly, I don't know if that can be done before I have to start working on higher disceplines, i.e. next year at HS. If it is possible, I don't know if I have the discipline to put in the several hours a day in the summber that it would probably require.

<Rock> <Me> <Hard place>

 

[SaturnX]

I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

Wow, what a generalization, the atmosphere is just about exactly what you make of it, like mentioned above join some sort of faith oriented campus groups which I'm sure there a lots of, and they exist at every university. Your education is something you'll putting a lot of time and money into, choosing a sub-par school on the sole grounds that is christian isn't exactly a wise move from a career/future standpoint. And if you're so afraid of losing your faith, then you, sir, have no faith.

--Mark

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: cchen

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm looking at colleges, and I really ought to know what I should major in. I'm pretty much fixed on the computer science field. I would do engineering- but I'm absolutely terrible with math. Awful. Chances of me doing well in a math heavy field: next to zero.
I'm seriously looking at Letourneau University, these are the CS majors that they offer: Text

I'm most inclined towards Computer Science and Engineering Technology (CST) right now. Has anybody here gotten this degree? Is there any reason why I should avoid it, or why another major would be better for me? Thanks.

why don't you try to get in a school with a better reputation??

Because it's one of the only Christian engineering schools there is.

:roll: you do realize that you can be a christian at a non-christian university.

you're gonna have to pick one or the other, science and jesus don't mix, in fact they are mutually exclusive.


PS: finding out that the school is a christian school explains the incredibly lame distinctions between the various majors they offer.

Hater.

He's right though.

People don't hire you based on your religion, and you can be just as active in your religion at another university. Now if you got a huge scholarship to this school, that is another story.

But you shouldn't base what school you go to on your religion.

I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

College is what you make of it. That's the good part about it. You can choose to go out and party every night if you want, or you can head to the campus ministry night after night and be welcomed either way.

I don't mean to turn this into a discussion of faith, but if you feel you must surround yourself in your faith to stay strong it in you have already failed, in my eyes.

But your choice is your alone and if you feel you are better off in a christian college, then that is that.

To be honest, when I went to college, my faith got STRONGER.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

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I disagree- I know that if I go to a secular school that the atmosphere is not going to be good- I'd rather have to only deal with academia than academia and fighting to keep my faith as well.

College is what you make of it. That's the good part about it. You can choose to go out and party every night if you want, or you can head to the campus ministry night after night and be welcomed either way.

I don't mean to turn this into a discussion of faith, but if you feel you must surround yourself in your faith to stay strong it in you have already failed, in my eyes.

But your choice is your alone and if you feel you are better off in a christian college, then that is that.

To be honest, when I went to college, my faith got STRONGER.

I hear you- but IMO, to be intentionally surrounding oneself with bad influences is folly. I don't feel that I have to surround myself in my faith to stay strong- I'm immersed in bad influences for 6.5 hours daily now anyways. Some of them in my school determined to kill my faith, in fact. The main difference between what I do here and college is that I have a good home environment to fall back on. I won't have that if I go to secular college, most likely. A good group of friends, a church group- that's all great. I'm not guaranteed to have anything to support me at a secular school. I've never been to college, and I don't know how I'll react in a prolonged situation like that. I'd rather play it safe at a Christian school than risk my soul at a secular one- I've seen and heard too many accounts of people losing faith in a situation like I just described. I don't want to end up like that.

Also, why is everyone so convinced that I'll be settling for something low if I go to Letourneau? Do you all know something that I don't? Are you basing it on the fact that they offer less math-intensive programs? It's not like they're giving anybody a 'Get out of math free card' or anything- it's still there.

I don't intend to make any decisions until I'l talked to those who have already made the decisions that I'm confronted with now, and can reccomend a good choice. I'm most interested in the alumni of CST and METC who know what life is like after graduation- what potetial employers think of the degree, and how the job market is, and what it may be in a few years.

 

[cchen]

Seriously, degrees called "Computer Science Technology" and "Mechanical Engineering Technology" are not rigorous degrees. Employers are gonna look at that and think that you didn't go to a real college.

 

[goblue420]

at umich in regards to math u need calc1, calc2, calc3, and calc4...... yep thats right 4 semesters, good thing i changed majors i started out compsci but switched to econ/business

 

[Jmman]

At my school the CS degree requires a math minor.......lots of math classes.....

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Jmman
At my school the CS degree requires a math minor.......lots of math classes.....

same here kinda. You need any 3 additional units in math...even math 101 works

 

[MAME]

oh wow, I just read all the religion stuff.

You seem prone to fail if you're worried about getting in to a religious school.

 

[DAGTA]

Consider that Computer Science branched off of Mathematics. Twenty years ago you didn't have a Computer Science department. You had a Mathematics department that offered course or even minors in Computer Science/Programming.

If you want to get into the guts of anything technical, you're going to have to get used to working with math.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Also, those who were saying that Letourneau's CS program sucks:

http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/display_newsrelease.jsp?newsrelease=31

That link doesn't really say if Letourneau's CS program sucks or doesn't suck.