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C'DaleRider

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Like Brutuskend said, find out the componentry set......or gruppo.

It's most likely got a mix of Sora and Tiagra......105 or higher component sets are just too expensive to be sold at a $300 level, esp. including the carbon fork. But carbon forks are routinely on sale at Nashbar and Performance for well under $100. If the gruppo is not listed here, it's an old gruppo and be wary if old parts on a new bike frame: Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra, DuraAce. This is Shimano's lineup. TruVative has some cranks out there for road bikes, so you could find this brand for a crank.

Shifters: STI or bar-end? Hate to think you'd be getting down-tube shifters. Bar-ends aren't much better for the novice. STI is really what you'd like to find.

Wheels......single-wall rims or double-wall rims. Double walled rims are stronger, lighter, and much more durable. But you're probably looking at single-wall rims at this price-point, unfortunately.

Ask, in addition to the gruppo, ever crashed, dropped, dings, dents, etc.?

Size of headset.....1" or 1 1/8". Threaded or threadless......threaded headsets, while not impossible to find, are bcoming increasingly difficult to locate in good quality if you don't like Shimano. Threadless 1 1/8" headsets have become the norm these days. As an added "feature" of threaded headsets is the increasing lack of availability of stems to fit these fork/headest combinations. Most stems these days are being made for the threadless system.

Since you know it's a triple crank, ask what style bottom bracket it uses.....hollow axle or taper axle. The taper axle system is again "old" technology and now only used on the lowest end of Shimano's lineup of componentry. You can still find tapered bb's (RaceFace comes to mind as a good alternative, as does the TruVative lineup), but they're beocming increasingly pushed aside for the hollow axle-type bottom bracket.

Typical of road bikes to not include pedals. Too many different systems of cleat/pedals/shoes out there and everyone has their own preference. Some like the Look/Time system, some love or hate Shimano's system; then there's the various Speedplay systems, and Crank Brothers have a good system, and on and on. That's why, outside the very entry level bikes for pure novices, there are no pedals included.

About rust in cro-mo bikes (which are also either the cheapest bikes in a line from major manufacturers or high end frames from the majors or from a small-bike co. that specializes in cro-mo frames.)........it happens. It happens not just from rain or being stored outside, but from spilled water/drinks getting inside the seat tube, from sweat (it drips off onto the frame and works its way inside via the seat post/tube junction, etc.) The best you can do to prevent rust in a cro-mo frame is take the seat post out occasionally and dry it out and fog the tubes with something like WD-40, FrameSaver, or the like. Aluminum has its own problems....it's stiff....some people like its stiffness, some hate it........also the seat post can galvanize inside the seat tube if left too long.....again, sweat, drinks, etc. provide the "wetness" to start the problem.

Any warranty included?

Best bet.....go find a good, small bike shop that has people that like to talk bikes. Most have no problem talking the pros and cons of such a purchase. They may be more receptive to you asking questions than you think........after all, if they impress you with their friendliness and such, you may return for service or buy from them later. You never know if you don't go in and ask. And if they don't have time to help you with your questions, they don't have time for you , period. Leave. They are a service business and answers to questions is probably one of their most important services.


 

mi xiao

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Originally posted by: edprush
I was going to do that but I feel bad about 'using' the bike store to measure me. But I guess I need to do it.

you certainly do need to be fit if you're going to spend money on a bike.

you can't feel badly for learning about something you are going to spend a decent amount of money on.....
store staff are there to help you out and teach you about their product.

if you're starting out on roadbikes, you will eventually want to upgrade. so, you can justify "using" the bike store by purchasing a kicking bike (from them) in a few years after you have gotten more serious about the sport.

i bought my first tri bike for 50$ (NORCO monterey) last year. i plan on buying a kick-a$$ one in a few years...and will spend the money.

 

mercanucaribe

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If you feel bad about using the store to fit, go back there after you get the bike and buy a speedometer or something. Speedometers/pedometers are nice to have anyway.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: Muadib
Have you seen pics of the bike? You really don't seem to know what you are buying. Does it come with wheels & a seat, or is he just selling the frame with components? What size is the frame?

I have not seen pics.

I really don't know what I am buying. That's why you folks are helping me.

He told me he would include pedals and a seat.

The frame is 56cm.
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: edprush
Originally posted by: Muadib
Have you seen pics of the bike? You really don't seem to know what you are buying. Does it come with wheels & a seat, or is he just selling the frame with components? What size is the frame?

I have not seen pics.

I really don't know what I am buying. That's why you folks are helping me.

He told me he would include pedals and a seat.

The frame is 56cm.

How tall are you?

I suggest going to a local shop and trying a 56cm bike to see how it fits.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
Like Brutuskend said, find out the componentry set......or gruppo.

It's most likely got a mix of Sora and Tiagra......105 or higher component sets are just too expensive to be sold at a $300 level, esp. including the carbon fork. But carbon forks are routinely on sale at Nashbar and Performance for well under $100. If the gruppo is not listed here, it's an old gruppo and be wary if old parts on a new bike frame: Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra, DuraAce. This is Shimano's lineup. TruVative has some cranks out there for road bikes, so you could find this brand for a crank.

Shifters: STI or bar-end? Hate to think you'd be getting down-tube shifters. Bar-ends aren't much better for the novice. STI is really what you'd like to find.

Wheels......single-wall rims or double-wall rims. Double walled rims are stronger, lighter, and much more durable. But you're probably looking at single-wall rims at this price-point, unfortunately.

Ask, in addition to the gruppo, ever crashed, dropped, dings, dents, etc.?

Size of headset.....1" or 1 1/8". Threaded or threadless......threaded headsets, while not impossible to find, are bcoming increasingly difficult to locate in good quality if you don't like Shimano. Threadless 1 1/8" headsets have become the norm these days. As an added "feature" of threaded headsets is the increasing lack of availability of stems to fit these fork/headest combinations. Most stems these days are being made for the threadless system.

Since you know it's a triple crank, ask what style bottom bracket it uses.....hollow axle or taper axle. The taper axle system is again "old" technology and now only used on the lowest end of Shimano's lineup of componentry. You can still find tapered bb's (RaceFace comes to mind as a good alternative, as does the TruVative lineup), but they're beocming increasingly pushed aside for the hollow axle-type bottom bracket.

Typical of road bikes to not include pedals. Too many different systems of cleat/pedals/shoes out there and everyone has their own preference. Some like the Look/Time system, some love or hate Shimano's system; then there's the various Speedplay systems, and Crank Brothers have a good system, and on and on. That's why, outside the very entry level bikes for pure novices, there are no pedals included.

About rust in cro-mo bikes (which are also either the cheapest bikes in a line from major manufacturers or high end frames from the majors or from a small-bike co. that specializes in cro-mo frames.)........it happens. It happens not just from rain or being stored outside, but from spilled water/drinks getting inside the seat tube, from sweat (it drips off onto the frame and works its way inside via the seat post/tube junction, etc.) The best you can do to prevent rust in a cro-mo frame is take the seat post out occasionally and dry it out and fog the tubes with something like WD-40, FrameSaver, or the like. Aluminum has its own problems....it's stiff....some people like its stiffness, some hate it........also the seat post can galvanize inside the seat tube if left too long.....again, sweat, drinks, etc. provide the "wetness" to start the problem.

Any warranty included?

Best bet.....go find a good, small bike shop that has people that like to talk bikes. Most have no problem talking the pros and cons of such a purchase. They may be more receptive to you asking questions than you think........after all, if they impress you with their friendliness and such, you may return for service or buy from them later. You never know if you don't go in and ask. And if they don't have time to help you with your questions, they don't have time for you , period. Leave. They are a service business and answers to questions is probably one of their most important services.

Holy crap! I see I know even less than I thought I knew before! I don't know 2/3 of the stuff C'DaleRider mentioned.

Thanks for trying to help me though. I will pose some of the questions to the seller.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend


How tall are you?

I suggest going to a local shop and trying a 56cm bike to see how it fits.

I asked the seller how tall he was and he replied, 5'10" and he has 32" inseam. I am 5' 10" with a 33" inseam.
 

Brutuskend

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About rust in cro-mo bikes (which are also either the cheapest bikes in a line from major manufacturers or high end frames from the majors or from a small-bike co. that specializes in cro-mo frames.)........it happens. It happens not just from rain or being stored outside, but from spilled water/drinks getting inside the seat tube, from sweat (it drips off onto the frame and works its way inside via the seat post/tube junction, etc.) The best you can do to prevent rust in a cro-mo frame is take the seat post out occasionally and dry it out and fog the tubes with something like WD-40, FrameSaver, or the like. Aluminum has its own problems....it's stiff....some people like its stiffness, some hate it........also the seat post can galvanize inside the seat tube if left too long.....again, sweat, drinks, etc. provide the "wetness" to start the problem

Also, if you store a steel bike inside or in a heated area, bringing it inside from the cold will cause condensation to form inside the frame and it will rust from the inside out.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
About rust in cro-mo bikes (which are also either the cheapest bikes in a line from major manufacturers or high end frames from the majors or from a small-bike co. that specializes in cro-mo frames.)........it happens. It happens not just from rain or being stored outside, but from spilled water/drinks getting inside the seat tube, from sweat (it drips off onto the frame and works its way inside via the seat post/tube junction, etc.) The best you can do to prevent rust in a cro-mo frame is take the seat post out occasionally and dry it out and fog the tubes with something like WD-40, FrameSaver, or the like. Aluminum has its own problems....it's stiff....some people like its stiffness, some hate it........also the seat post can galvanize inside the seat tube if left too long.....again, sweat, drinks, etc. provide the "wetness" to start the problem

Also, if you store a steel bike inside or in a heated area, bringing it inside from the cold will cause condensation to form inside the frame and it will rust from the inside out.

Holy smoke, with all these 'caveats' maybe I should just walk really fast...or drive.;)
 

OffTopic1

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Ask him what groupo is on the bike.

105/600/Dura ace etc. (If it's Shimano) if it's Suntour, it's OLD and I would stay away from it since Suntour no longer makes shifter/dérailleur parts and they are not compatible with Shimano components.

That having been said, at that price, even if the bike needs work, it's a good deal!
$295 is a steal for almost any bike. It is unlikely that bike have Shimano 105 or better unless it is a hot bike, because the seller would know what he/she have.

It doesn?t matter if the groupo is Suntoor if the fame/handle bar/fork/seat/crank is decent. Because, a person that get rid of the bike doesn?t sound like an avid biker therefore the shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette isn?t going to have much wear and a Sedis chain replacement isn?t that expensive.

Worst come he can add $200 to get decent shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette, and the bike still would be a great ride for that money.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: OffTopic
$295 is a steal for almost any bike. It is unlikely that bike have Shimano 105 or better unless it is a hot bike, because the seller would know what he/she have.

It doesn?t matter if the groupo is Suntoor if the fame/handle bar/fork/seat/crank is decent. Because, a person that get rid of the bike doesn?t sound like an avid biker therefore the shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette isn?t going to have much wear and a Sedis chain replacement isn?t that expensive.

Worst come he can add $200 to get decent shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette, and the bike still would be a great ride for that money.

The seller told me, "It is equipped with 8 speed Shimano components, so you have a total of 24 gears". Does that mean anything?

The seller is a very avid biker. He has several bikes and does time-trials with his top-end bikes.


 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: edprush
Originally posted by: OffTopic
$295 is a steal for almost any bike. It is unlikely that bike have Shimano 105 or better unless it is a hot bike, because the seller would know what he/she have.

It doesn?t matter if the groupo is Suntoor if the fame/handle bar/fork/seat/crank is decent. Because, a person that get rid of the bike doesn?t sound like an avid biker therefore the shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette isn?t going to have much wear and a Sedis chain replacement isn?t that expensive.

Worst come he can add $200 to get decent shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette, and the bike still would be a great ride for that money.

The seller told me, "It is equipped with 8 speed Shimano components, so you have a total of 24 gears". Does that mean anything?

The seller is a very avid biker. He has several bikes and does time-trials with his top-end bikes.


That means it's a sports touring bike (3X8) but it doesn't say what level of components it has. However seeing as how it has a 8 speed cluster, I would think it's a fairly new bike.
 

edprush

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He (the seller) says he bought the 2001 frame new this year (why would he buy a 2001 frame in 2005?).
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: edprush
He (the seller) says he bought the 2001 frame new this year (why would he buy a 2001 frame in 2005?).

Is a sports touring bike best for long trips as opposed to short (1/2 mile) sprints on roads?
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: edprush
Originally posted by: edprush
He (the seller) says he bought the 2001 frame new this year (why would he buy a 2001 frame in 2005?).

Is a sports touring bike best for long trips as opposed to short (1/2 mile) sprints on roads?

It's better for longer trips and climbing hills.
Lower gear ratios.
 

Metron

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You're getting a good deal, as long as the bike is properly sized for you. If it is, buy it!

Originally posted by: edprush
Originally posted by: OffTopic
$295 is a steal for almost any bike. It is unlikely that bike have Shimano 105 or better unless it is a hot bike, because the seller would know what he/she have.

It doesn?t matter if the groupo is Suntoor if the fame/handle bar/fork/seat/crank is decent. Because, a person that get rid of the bike doesn?t sound like an avid biker therefore the shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette isn?t going to have much wear and a Sedis chain replacement isn?t that expensive.

Worst come he can add $200 to get decent shifter/derailleur/chain rings/cassette, and the bike still would be a great ride for that money.

The seller told me, "It is equipped with 8 speed Shimano components, so you have a total of 24 gears". Does that mean anything?

The seller is a very avid biker. He has several bikes and does time-trials with his top-end bikes.

 

edprush

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I think that seems to be the consensus. I will get sized for a road bike soon and buy this one if it is my size.

I don't imagine that I have too many options in the sub $300 range. Anything new seemed to be $600+.

 

Muadib

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I know I'm in the minority, but there's no way I'd pay $295 for this bike. First off he misled you with the age of the bike. Why? Because he knows damn well that what he's asking is way too much for a 2001 bike, that was probably around $500 when it was new.
Now he's telling you that it doesn't include pedals. Funny how your first post failed to mention this. Did his fail to too? I'm betting it did. Lastly, it's a steel frame which you haven't seen. Sure it could be perfect, but it could be a rust nightmare too. Offer him $200, and see what he says. If he says no, then tell him you need detailed pics of the frame, then tell him $225 is as high as you can go on a 2001 bike. I bet he takes one of the two.
 

edprush

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Originally posted by: Muadib
I know I'm in the minority, but there's no way I'd pay $295 for this bike. First off he misled you with the age of the bike. Why? Because he knows damn well that what he's asking is way too much for a 2001 bike, that was probably around $500 when it was new.
Now he's telling you that it doesn't include pedals. Funny how your first post failed to mention this. Did his fail to too? I'm betting it did. Lastly, it's a steel frame which you haven't seen. Sure it could be perfect, but it could be a rust nightmare too. Offer him $200, and see what he says. If he says no, then tell him you need detailed pics of the frame, then tell him $225 is as high as you can go on a 2001 bike. I bet he takes one of the two.

It's a 2001 frame that he bought new, supposedly, in 2005.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: edprush
Originally posted by: Muadib
I know I'm in the minority, but there's no way I'd pay $295 for this bike. First off he misled you with the age of the bike. Why? Because he knows damn well that what he's asking is way too much for a 2001 bike, that was probably around $500 when it was new.
Now he's telling you that it doesn't include pedals. Funny how your first post failed to mention this. Did his fail to too? I'm betting it did. Lastly, it's a steel frame which you haven't seen. Sure it could be perfect, but it could be a rust nightmare too. Offer him $200, and see what he says. If he says no, then tell him you need detailed pics of the frame, then tell him $225 is as high as you can go on a 2001 bike. I bet he takes one of the two.

It's a 2001 frame that he bought new, supposedly, in 2005.
Supposedly is right!!! How the heck would you know? I don't care if he got it today, it's still a 2001 model. A fact that he tried to hide I might add. I still say offer him $200. The worst that could happen is he says no, so then you counter. You gotta play the game my friend.
 

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dont worry about the uncessary and overwhelming info here

you're 5'10, its a 56cm bike, its a decent price.... if its in good condition its a good buy. just make sure the wheels are true (laterally) and round... most other things can be easily adjusted/serviced
 

edprush

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I asked him for a photo and I received it yesterday. I don't know what I was expecting from the photo it looks just like the Fuji Finest on the Fuji website.
 

Muadib

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Is it a picture of the actual bike that you are buying, or just a picture he took from the Fuji website?