What?s next after capitalism falls apart in the US?

FlashG

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With all the news of layoffs, buyouts and cutbacks, what?s next? We can?t fall back to an agrarian society or can we. What are our alternatives as a nation and a society?
 

FlashG

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It sure doesn?t look that way to me. I think were half way down a slippery slope and haven?t realized it yet.
 

Strk

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Capitalism is fine. Yeah people lose their jobs at times, but they ultimately recoup those jobs in other places. Every now and again you need a bit of regulation (labor laws etc), but it ultimately works out in the end.
 

eilute

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The trends might be bad, but relatively speaking capitalism is in the US is far from collapsing.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: FlashG
It sure doesn?t look that way to me. I think were half way down a slippery slope and haven?t realized it yet.

Some folks have, only Non-Republican lemmings which is only a small portion of the U.S.

The rest are hoplessly brainwashed by a merged Church, State and Corporate Marriage.
 

sMiLeYz

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I think US would lose enormous influence and power in the upcoming decades, no less due to blunders of this current administration.

Well not just this administration, the Republicans, the people who voted for them, the apathetic and the democrats for being too impotent to stop their disasterious foreign and domestic policies.

No I don't capitalism will fall rather, but rather thrive in a more fascist and less democratic state.
 

filterxg

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The great thing about capitalism is that it is flexable enough to change as markets change. The bad thing is people don't like change, they like security. So we've got to find the middle ground, but by most measures ours is pretty good...and France will go through another 2-3 republics before we fall.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: filterxg
The great thing about capitalism is that it is flexable enough to change as markets change. The bad thing is people don't like change, they like security. So we've got to find the middle ground, but by most measures ours is pretty good...and France will go through another 2-3 republics before we fall.

That's not saying much ;)

 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Capitalism is fine but excessive socialism is strangling it.

ROTFLMFAO....a country that has seen GREAT overall growth in GNP over the past 25 years BUT has a rapidly growing divide between the rich and the poor is being "strangled" by socialism....

Man, did you even bother showing up for econ and socialogy classes? Or just watch Fox News instead?

Future Shock
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: FlashG
With all the news of layoffs, buyouts and cutbacks, what?s next? We can?t fall back to an agrarian society or can we. What are our alternatives as a nation and a society?

Military rule and a lot of hungry, pissed off people who don't give a damn what everybody else in the world is doing anymore?

 

DaveSimmons

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Just watch The Road Warrior, Waterworld and Dawn of the Dead.



But seriously, there's nothing wrong with capitalism. It even has its own theme song:

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don't try to make me feel guilty
I'm so tired of hearing you cry

There's nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I'll say it's just fine
There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I'm so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!

If it ain't one thing
Then it's the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother
I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass

You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you

You're just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we've got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .

(Repeat first verse)

(Repeat chorus)

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
 

IdioticBuffoon

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We all know why communism failed or I should say was rejected by humanity at large. I think capitalism is also bound to be rejected and consequently uprooted as an exploitative system. This is because it is a system developed by man for the sole purpose of acquiring wealth through private ownership. As long as a system exists that allows individuals or "entities" to acquire and control wealth (often through unscrupulous means), there will always be people who exploit this opportunity. Always. They may do it posing as "constructive members of society", but their goals remain the same.

These corporations are not going to go away without a fight. I think that it will again take a bloody and painful struggle for the human race to try to come up with a system that "works". Another man made system that may offer a ray of hope but no guarantees, of course.

The alternative would be to hand our affairs over to a higher being who is infinitely wise, just and caring of his creation. In other words, religion. But we humans don't tend to believe in what we cannot see, as least most of us.

So what's left? More wandering in the desert, I suppose.
 

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
We all know why communism failed or I should say was rejected by humanity at large. I think capitalism is also bound to be rejected and consequently uprooted as an exploitative system. This is because it is a system developed by man for the sole purpose of acquiring wealth through private ownership. As long as a system exists that allows individuals or "entities" to acquire and control wealth (often through unscrupulous means), there will always be people who exploit this opportunity. Always. They may do it posing as "constructive members of society", but their goals remain the same.

These corporations are not going to go away without a fight. I think that it will again take a bloody and painful struggle for the human race to try to come up with a system that "works". Another man made system that may offer a ray of hope but no guarantees, of course.

The alternative would be to hand our affairs over to a higher being who is infinitely wise, just and caring of his creation. In other words, religion. But we humans don't tend to believe in what we cannot see, as least most of us.

So what's left? More wandering in the desert, I suppose.


Smartest thing I've read all day...
 

IdioticBuffoon

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Originally posted by: zendari
The end of the free world and the rise of Stalin 2.0.

Nah. As a wise man once said:

"... fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again!"
 

fitzov

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Capitalism did fail. The result was the Great Depression. Our system was more capitalist than it is today. FDR put government-funded programs in place that restructured the economy. The most important programs, economically, were: FDIC, Public Works Association, SEC, TVA, and the Fair Labor Standards Act.
 

3chordcharlie

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Capitalism will never fall apart in terms of voluntary exchange between people. I mean that even happens in prisons where there is officially 'no' economy.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: fitzov
Capitalism did fail. The result was the Great Depression. Our system was more capitalist than it is today. FDR put government-funded programs in place that restructured the economy. The most important programs, economically, were: FDIC, Public Works Association, SEC, TVA, and the Fair Labor Standards Act.

:laugh: Spoken like a true socialist. I laugh every time people try to make the claim that Capitalism failed and caused the Great Depression. I usually only have to point out that the Government's involvement in the economy was higher then than it is now to counter that claim. There were many factors involved in causing the Great Depression but to say that Capitalism failed and caused it is absurd.

Capitalism won't fall apart as asked by the OP so there will be no "next". Sure, we will have changes made here or there to how socialist we allow our Capitalistic society become but short of mass slaughter of our citizens and a take over of our Government - it won't fall. But in that case it wouldn't be the "US" anymore.