what role do drugs play in plants?

jhu

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what does nicotine do for the tobacco plant? what does thc do for cannibus? what does salycin do for willow trees?
 

vi edit

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Probably just some form of evolution of the plant.

Just like the plants that develop harsh flavored leaves to deter animals from eating them, these plants have produced these drugs for whatever reasons.

Why... I dunno :)
 

Lord Evermore

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If they get an animal addicted to them, then they eat more of them, and they spread the seeds more.

Salicyclin in the willow is a painkiller (used to make aspirin), so animals probably eat that for that use, and spread pollen or something that way as well.
 

jhu

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interesting, but i don't see how getting an animal high would provide anything for the plant (cannibus).
 

Lord Evermore

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It makes the animal want to come back for more. Usually the animal will eat the plant, taking the seeds with it. Then when the animal...say..."processes" the plant, the seeds remain in the...remains...and end up on the ground in...fertilizer....

This is how birds spread seeds from a lot of plants, and why those plants use certain colors or fragrances to attract them.
 

Moonbeam

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Be careful of the educated guess. While it may be logical and perhaps correct to suggest that the chemicals in a plant probably confer some survival advantage, what that advantage might be or how it is confered is better determined by study than speculation. A plant might 'want to' taste unpleasant, poison consumers, keep from freezing attract pollinators. All life is related and boichemicals and their analogs appear over and over in life forms. Chemicals in plants may have an evolutionary origin that is the same as neurochemicals. I don't know but this is an interesting field.
 

UG

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Aren't plants essentially pumps that draw chemical components from the soil and air, metabolize the nutritionally useful components to fuel reproduction, secrete or otherwise expel unneeded chemical waste by-products, or accumulate in their tissues those chemical by-products for which they have no mechanism of ridding themselves: by-products that react amongst themselves to produce exotic substances for which the plant has no use other than the occassional serendipitous survival benefit?

Or something like that.

 

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Why the hemp plant makes canabanoids

A pseudo scientific study by cxim

Long ago, before man was invented, God walked among the plants & conversed with them. After a while it became obvious to some of the plants that God had preferences for BIG plants. He spent most of his time with the big old trees in the big forests.

This started to pissoff some of the smaller plants because they lived their whole short life & died before God ever came by to talk.

Different plants decided to counter the grand size of the big trees in different ways. A bunch decided to grow flowers. Some grew large colorful flowers. Some grew flowers that had nice smells. Some grew fruit that had a nice taste.

This worked out pretty good & God started visiting the smaller plants more often. Well God never knew just what new things a plant would come up with so he got in the habit of eating a little of this plant & a little of that plant.

The hemp plant tried to grow flowers & they looked like sh1t. So the hemp plant tried to make it's flowers smell good. That didn't work either. Next, the hemp plant tried to make it's leaves taste good.

Being a screwup, it made halucinogenic canabanoids instead.

So the next time God came by, he looked at the plant, ordinary, no colorful flowers, smelled it... nothing... looked for fruit...none.... So God broke off a small twig with a bit of bloom & tasted it... Blagh...

God then kept walking among the plants. The plants looked better & better. He got hungry... Now lots of plants tasted GOOOOOOD !

Now God was no dummy, so he knew that he had been given a wonderful gift by the hemp plant, canabanoids.

And to this day, hemp plants make canabanoids, waiting for God to stroll by again & have a taste.
 

jhu

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just for info. what advantage does a nicotine producing tobacco plant have over a genetically modified tobacco plant that doesn't make nicotine?
 

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I have heard from gardening sources, that nicotine is a natural insecticide. My dad actually makes a lawn supplement using water that has had tobacco soaked in it overnight, and he says it kills the bugs right off. I don't know if this is applicable to your question or not, but I found it interesting.
 

UG

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You know, it's all a plant conspiracy. Without them there'd have been no original sin. Some guy long ago fell for some plant ovary and the rest of us guys have been paying for it ever since.

Must be why other guys switched to sheep, but that produced several other problems, didn't it?

 

Entity

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palad,

You're right. Nicotine is a very powerful insecticide.

When it comes to THC, however, I don't have a clue.

Rob
 

Mday

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<< Aren't plants essentially pumps that draw chemical components from the soil and air, metabolize the nutritionally useful components to fuel reproduction, secrete or otherwise expel unneeded chemical waste by-products, or accumulate in their tissues those chemical by-products for which they have no mechanism of ridding themselves: by-products that react amongst themselves to produce exotic substances for which the plant has no use other than the occassional serendipitous survival benefit? >>



yes.

well, there are other life forms involved other than the actual plant... but basically, yeah
 

Mday

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why do plants attract animals?

because of the existence of &quot;locomotion&quot; which means movement for the most part.

plants can't migrate. animals can.

well, not just animals, we know what bees do...

why do plants form fruits? does the fruit help the plant, i mean animals just eat them, right?

RIGHT, but in doing so, the SEEDS are moved away from the plant. if you look at the seed, it has a husk (shell) for a reason, so it does NOT get digested. so, when the animal... $%@#*%@#%@#% and you know how good certain %@#@^# act as fertilizer...