This thread is a discussion of Iran. Iran funds Hezbellah and other Palestinian terrorist organizations, go so far as to supply weapons and explosive used by suicide bombers. You think it's OK for them to have nuclear weapons because "they would never be insane enough to blow someone else up because they would get blown up". You need a lesson in logic because your attempt at it is not coming through.
Nuclear weapons are incredibly dangerous and there is ALWAYS someone crazy enough out there to use them. Had the allies not prevented Hitler from developing them London would have been a smoking pit. Stalin had intended war with the US when his associates killed him. You really need more exposure to poltics and people throughout the world if you dont' think someone is crazy enough to use them.
I think that pretty much sums up the fear of the "western" nations. We know the power and destruction that a nuclear weapon can wield and we don't want to see that happen again.
I am not a fan of Clinton and I can say that his decision to aid NK was wrong and was stupid. To avoid turning this into a clinton bash/counter bash thread, I will just say that in correcting my previous post... "It is standard policy that some leaders choose to go against." Everything else still stands as to why.
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Clinton agreed to help them build a couple of light water reactors in exchange for halting their weapons program. Either PWR or BWR of South Korean design.
The Yongbyon reactor is most likely optimized for Plutonium production because of its design. It is not terribly efficient for electricity generation compared to most other designs, including the Soviet RBMK.
Might makes right. The powerful do what they want to do. What they want to do is anything that is in their own self interests. This rule applies to all countries.
That's it. The world is a brutal and cold place. Some people live in a dream world where everyone holds hands and skips around singing show tunes together, but these people are just delusional.
That's it. The world is a brutal and cold place. Some people live in a dream world where everyone holds hands and skips around singing show tunes together, but these people are just delusional.
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The same right they have to receive funding and support from the West?
What right have they got as a civilized country to pursue weapons of mass destruction while over half of their population live in shacks and have to scrounge for food because their country has neglected them?
What right have they got as a civilized country to pursue weapons of mass destruction while over half of their population live in shacks and have to scrounge for food because their country has neglected them?
and yet a country like pakistan is allowed to test warhead capable missiles (just this week tested one that can almost reach israel) with a barely a mention by anyone. once you're in the club, it's fine. iran knows that once they have the weapon the U.S. will stop bothering them and invite them into the "club".
We got ours but don't want you to get yours.
White folks don't deserve any less than what they have.
All those folks with funny skin pigment need to get to the back of the bus...and stay there.
Of course, our nukes are the love children of democracy, whereas butter knives are WMD in the hands of anyone in the Third World.
This isn't a double standard, it's NO standard.
-Robert
White folks don't deserve any less than what they have.
All those folks with funny skin pigment need to get to the back of the bus...and stay there.
Of course, our nukes are the love children of democracy, whereas butter knives are WMD in the hands of anyone in the Third World.
This isn't a double standard, it's NO standard.
-Robert
Essentially, the U.S. really has no moral authority to prevent other countries from pursuing WMD. The U.S. DOES however have the military means to take them out if they don't stop. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Nitemare:
They just have their own military industrial complex. And, of course they've learned from us that socialism is bad, so they just tell their people to go make their own way. You wouldn't want countries like Iraq to actually feed its poor, would you? I mean, it's not like we do it here. Feed the poor, that is.
-Robert
They just have their own military industrial complex. And, of course they've learned from us that socialism is bad, so they just tell their people to go make their own way. You wouldn't want countries like Iraq to actually feed its poor, would you? I mean, it's not like we do it here. Feed the poor, that is.
-Robert
Do you know what the NPT is and which countries have signed it?
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty [NPT
Provisions
The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, also referred to as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), obligates the five acknowledged nuclear-weapon states (the United States, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, France, and China) not to transfer nuclear weapons, other nuclear explosive devices, or their technology to any non-nuclear-weapon state. Non-nuclear-weapon States Parties undertake not to acquire or produce nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. They are required also to accept safeguards to detect diversions of nuclear materials from peaceful activities, such as power generation, to the production of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. This must be done in accordance with an individual safeguards agreement, concluded between each non-nuclear-weapon State Party and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Under these agreements, all nuclear materials in peaceful civil facilities under the jurisdiction of the state must be declared to the IAEA, whose inspectors have routine access to the facilities for periodic monitoring and inspections. If information from routine inspections is not sufficient to fulfill its responsibilities, the IAEA may consult with the state regarding special inspections within or outside declared facilities.
State parties to the NPT (as of 31 January 2000)
Now what were you saying?
What does nuclear weapons and civil rights have to do with each other? I can only hope you are setting me up here since this makes no sense at all.
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