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What "real" physical size are all you Seagate ST3200822AS 200gig owners getting?

Rhin0

Senior member
hey all,

Just wondering what all you Seagate ST3200822AS 200gb 7,200rpm SATA owners are getting as the actual physical size when you get it your system? Is it around 180 or so? Or closer to 200?

The Hitachi 250gb is actually 232gb. Still trying to decide which to get. I am buying two and leaning heavily towards the Hitachi. I believe both are excellent drives and a great value, speed wise I would venture to say the difference isn't even noticeable or if it would even be able to be recorded in a test.

The Seagate is cheaper but it is also at least 32 gigs smaller.

Going to order later so just getting e-pinions 🙂

Thanks,
Rhin0
 
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
*clubs you over the head*

http://www.google.ca/search?hl...y+decimal+gb&meta=

- M4H

Yes I am aware of the differences in the number systems. This still doesn't answer my question. It can be a MARKETING and not a mathematical difference.

Thanks again.

-Rhin0

:roll:

No, no it's not. All hard drive manufacturers use decimal GB. The Seagate will be 80% of the size of the Hitachi, no matter which base you measure in.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
*clubs you over the head*

http://www.google.ca/search?hl...y+decimal+gb&meta=

- M4H

Yes I am aware of the differences in the number systems. This still doesn't answer my question. It can be a MARKETING and not a mathematical difference.

Thanks again.

-Rhin0

:roll:

No, no it's not. All hard drive manufacturers use decimal GB. The Seagate will be 80% of the size of the Hitachi, no matter which base you measure in.

- M4H

Ok, i'll take your word for it. Please spare me the "idiot noob" thing I was perfectly aware of the difference between binary, decimal, etc.

You must understand that marketing is EVERYTHING.


edit: thanks...

and if someone gives us an answer here sometime we can actually test the 80% thing.
 
^ that's almost true, but I noticed the 250 GB WD I bought to back up one of my music server drives (a Maxtor 250 GB) had a tiny size difference of 1-2 GB.

So the drives are at least the 93.132% of the capacity they are marketed as that the marketing BS of 10^9 vs. 2^30 entails, but some vendors might throw in an extra GB or two on some models if they're feeling generous.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
^ that's almost true, but I noticed the 250 GB WD I bought to back up one of my music server drives (a Maxtor 250 GB) had a tiny size difference of 1-2 GB.

So the drives are at least the 93.132% of the capacity they are marketed as, but some vendors might throw in an extra GB or two on some models if they're feeling generous.

Yeah the 1-2GB is well within any margin of error though, especially if they give you 2gb extra hahaha


 
Oh and here is a post I saw on a review about the Hitachi, some guys little rant.

"chugger,8/26/2004 12:16:55 PM

Funny huh? Computers use binary, people use decimal, used to be computer people used binary too. A kilobyte of memory was and still is 2^10 bytes, a megabyte of memory was and still is 2^20 bytes. And a 20 megabyte hard drive was 20 * 2^20 bytes. But the 250 gigabyte hard drive I have today is reported by windows as being 232 gig. Overhead? Hardly. 232 * 2^30 is about 250 billion bytes decimal which sounds like more, sells better. Somewhere along the way I suppose some marketing department decided they could increase sales by rating there drive in decimal rather than binary. Of course to stay competitive, one does it they all must. Floppy capacity, you used to get what was stated on the label, still do, 700mb cdr you get the true 700 * 2^20 bytes. Jump to DVDR and all of a sudden it's decimal. A 4.7 gig DVDR is a computer device used by computer people to backup computer data, all base two, but it goes to base 10 like the hard drives. So a computer gig and a people gig is two different things, base 2 vs. base 10 and you can only get something like 4.36 computer gigs on a 4.7 gig people DVDR. Crazy. Like try to find a gas station where the price doen't end in point nine cents. Sorry to rave, just a peeve of mine. "
 
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Oh and here is a post I saw on a review about the Hitachi, some guys little rant.

"chugger,8/26/2004 12:16:55 PM

Funny huh? Computers use binary, people use decimal, used to be computer people used binary too. A kilobyte of memory was and still is 2^10 bytes, a megabyte of memory was and still is 2^20 bytes. And a 20 megabyte hard drive was 20 * 2^20 bytes. But the 250 gigabyte hard drive I have today is reported by windows as being 232 gig. Overhead? Hardly. 232 * 2^30 is about 250 billion bytes decimal which sounds like more, sells better. Somewhere along the way I suppose some marketing department decided they could increase sales by rating there drive in decimal rather than binary. Of course to stay competitive, one does it they all must. Floppy capacity, you used to get what was stated on the label, still do, 700mb cdr you get the true 700 * 2^20 bytes. Jump to DVDR and all of a sudden it's decimal. A 4.7 gig DVDR is a computer device used by computer people to backup computer data, all base two, but it goes to base 10 like the hard drives. So a computer gig and a people gig is two different things, base 2 vs. base 10 and you can only get something like 4.36 computer gigs on a 4.7 gig people DVDR. Crazy. Like try to find a gas station where the price doen't end in point nine cents. Sorry to rave, just a peeve of mine. "

YES my exact thoughts!

Koing
 
Dave simmons gave you the only conversion factor you need to know

.9312

which is 1,000,000,000 (decimal GB)
divided by 1GB binary 2^30 = 1,073,741,824

So a phony 80 gig is 74.496
Phony 200 GB = 186.24
Phoney 250 GB = 232.8

In manufacture, # of drive magnetic domains are not precise from drive to drive, so thats why they guarantee a min.

A 1 or 2 GB diff means either they gave you actual bytes, or the fat table took that after format

Edit: And BTW a 56.6 modem is really a 7.1 modem (bits verses bytes)


 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
I saw a gas station with prices ending in point five cents. I also saw one with no point ending at all.

Every one I have ever seen ends with .9 cents. They can't sell gas for $1.70 per gallon, it is $1.699 per gallon. (Yes there are a few perks to living in Oklahoma).
 
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Oh and here is a post I saw on a review about the Hitachi, some guys little rant.

"chugger,8/26/2004 12:16:55 PM

Funny huh? Computers use binary, people use decimal, used to be computer people used binary too. A kilobyte of memory was and still is 2^10 bytes, a megabyte of memory was and still is 2^20 bytes. And a 20 megabyte hard drive was 20 * 2^20 bytes. But the 250 gigabyte hard drive I have today is reported by windows as being 232 gig. Overhead? Hardly. 232 * 2^30 is about 250 billion bytes decimal which sounds like more, sells better. Somewhere along the way I suppose some marketing department decided they could increase sales by rating there drive in decimal rather than binary. Of course to stay competitive, one does it they all must. Floppy capacity, you used to get what was stated on the label, still do, 700mb cdr you get the true 700 * 2^20 bytes. Jump to DVDR and all of a sudden it's decimal. A 4.7 gig DVDR is a computer device used by computer people to backup computer data, all base two, but it goes to base 10 like the hard drives. So a computer gig and a people gig is two different things, base 2 vs. base 10 and you can only get something like 4.36 computer gigs on a 4.7 gig people DVDR. Crazy. Like try to find a gas station where the price doen't end in point nine cents. Sorry to rave, just a peeve of mine. "

Not true. It's not a marketing stunt, because hard drives have been using decimal to describe capacity, if not forever, then at least long before computers were mainstream, which is also long before the binary decimal difference made a difference. Claiming this is all a marketing stunt would be to claim that hard drive manufacturers had an inhuman amount of foresight with an incredibly longterm plan to try and trick people out of their money. The binary-decimal mess can be blamed on the geeks of old for not coming up with a different naming scheme for binary counting. When dealing with bytes and kilobytes, the difference was so small that it didn't matter, unfortunately, decades later when dealing with gigabytes and terabytes, we now see the error of their ways.

It should also be noted that all data transmission are measured in decimal, not binary. PCI bus is 133.3MB/s, right? Only in decimal, it's 127MB/s binary. 28.8K modem should mean it transfers at 29,491 bytes/sec, right? Nope, it's decimal, so only 28,800 bytes/sec. Dual channel DDR400 supposedly gets 6.4GB/s bandwidth according to the tech specs, but that's decimal, in binary, you're getting under 6GB/s. Why don't people ever complain about the marketers ripping off customers in those situations?
Because the truth is, even most tech savvy people have no idea when binary is used and when decimal is. Computers are not all binary, so just because something isn't in binary, doesn't mean the industry is trying to rip you off.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Oh and here is a post I saw on a review about the Hitachi, some guys little rant.

"chugger,8/26/2004 12:16:55 PM

Funny huh? Computers use binary, people use decimal, used to be computer people used binary too. A kilobyte of memory was and still is 2^10 bytes, a megabyte of memory was and still is 2^20 bytes. And a 20 megabyte hard drive was 20 * 2^20 bytes. But the 250 gigabyte hard drive I have today is reported by windows as being 232 gig. Overhead? Hardly. 232 * 2^30 is about 250 billion bytes decimal which sounds like more, sells better. Somewhere along the way I suppose some marketing department decided they could increase sales by rating there drive in decimal rather than binary. Of course to stay competitive, one does it they all must. Floppy capacity, you used to get what was stated on the label, still do, 700mb cdr you get the true 700 * 2^20 bytes. Jump to DVDR and all of a sudden it's decimal. A 4.7 gig DVDR is a computer device used by computer people to backup computer data, all base two, but it goes to base 10 like the hard drives. So a computer gig and a people gig is two different things, base 2 vs. base 10 and you can only get something like 4.36 computer gigs on a 4.7 gig people DVDR. Crazy. Like try to find a gas station where the price doen't end in point nine cents. Sorry to rave, just a peeve of mine. "

Not true. It's not a marketing stunt, because hard drives have been using decimal to describe capacity, if not forever, then at least long before computers were mainstream, which is also long before the binary decimal difference made a difference. Claiming this is all a marketing stunt would be to claim that hard drive manufacturers had an inhuman amount of foresight with an incredibly longterm plan to try and trick people out of their money. The binary-decimal mess can be blamed on the geeks of old for not coming up with a different naming scheme for binary counting. When dealing with bytes and kilobytes, the difference was so small that it didn't matter, unfortunately, decades later when dealing with gigabytes and terabytes, we now see the error of their ways.

It should also be noted that all data transmission are measured in decimal, not binary. PCI bus is 133.3MB/s, right? Only in decimal, it's 127MB/s binary. 28.8K modem should mean it transfers at 29,491 bytes/sec, right? Nope, it's decimal, so only 28,800 bytes/sec. Dual channel DDR400 supposedly gets 6.4GB/s bandwidth according to the tech specs, but that's decimal, in binary, you're getting under 6GB/s. Why don't people ever complain about the marketers ripping off customers in those situations?
Because the truth is, even most tech savvy people have no idea when binary is used and when decimal is. Computers are not all binary, so just because something isn't in binary, doesn't mean the industry is trying to rip you off.


Bingo.

You explained it perfectly.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Oh and here is a post I saw on a review about the Hitachi, some guys little rant.

"chugger,8/26/2004 12:16:55 PM

Funny huh? Computers use binary, people use decimal, used to be computer people used binary too. A kilobyte of memory was and still is 2^10 bytes, a megabyte of memory was and still is 2^20 bytes. And a 20 megabyte hard drive was 20 * 2^20 bytes. But the 250 gigabyte hard drive I have today is reported by windows as being 232 gig. Overhead? Hardly. 232 * 2^30 is about 250 billion bytes decimal which sounds like more, sells better. Somewhere along the way I suppose some marketing department decided they could increase sales by rating there drive in decimal rather than binary. Of course to stay competitive, one does it they all must. Floppy capacity, you used to get what was stated on the label, still do, 700mb cdr you get the true 700 * 2^20 bytes. Jump to DVDR and all of a sudden it's decimal. A 4.7 gig DVDR is a computer device used by computer people to backup computer data, all base two, but it goes to base 10 like the hard drives. So a computer gig and a people gig is two different things, base 2 vs. base 10 and you can only get something like 4.36 computer gigs on a 4.7 gig people DVDR. Crazy. Like try to find a gas station where the price doen't end in point nine cents. Sorry to rave, just a peeve of mine. "

Not true. It's not a marketing stunt, because hard drives have been using decimal to describe capacity, if not forever, then at least long before computers were mainstream, which is also long before the binary decimal difference made a difference. Claiming this is all a marketing stunt would be to claim that hard drive manufacturers had an inhuman amount of foresight with an incredibly longterm plan to try and trick people out of their money. The binary-decimal mess can be blamed on the geeks of old for not coming up with a different naming scheme for binary counting. When dealing with bytes and kilobytes, the difference was so small that it didn't matter, unfortunately, decades later when dealing with gigabytes and terabytes, we now see the error of their ways.

It should also be noted that all data transmission are measured in decimal, not binary. PCI bus is 133.3MB/s, right? Only in decimal, it's 127MB/s binary. 28.8K modem should mean it transfers at 29,491 bytes/sec, right? Nope, it's decimal, so only 28,800 bytes/sec. Dual channel DDR400 supposedly gets 6.4GB/s bandwidth according to the tech specs, but that's decimal, in binary, you're getting under 6GB/s. Why don't people ever complain about the marketers ripping off customers in those situations?
Because the truth is, even most tech savvy people have no idea when binary is used and when decimal is. Computers are not all binary, so just because something isn't in binary, doesn't mean the industry is trying to rip you off.

Those people are NOT tech savvy...

It's a extremely basic concept, manufactures just decided to measure there products this way. Why? Who the hell wants to read "186.310753 GB" ?

This concept is just as basic as "Metric Vs. Imperial"
 
Originally posted by: JBT
In Windows mine is 186 GB.


Mines too and I was wondering how many posts I was going to read until a specific amount was given for the Seagate without any calculations 😉
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Rhin0
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
*clubs you over the head*

http://www.google.ca/search?hl...y+decimal+gb&meta=

- M4H

Yes I am aware of the differences in the number systems. This still doesn't answer my question. It can be a MARKETING and not a mathematical difference.

Thanks again.

-Rhin0

:roll:

No, no it's not. All hard drive manufacturers use decimal GB. The Seagate will be 80% of the size of the Hitachi, no matter which base you measure in.

- M4H

Actually thats not exactly true. For example I have 80gig maxtors and 80gig seagates that in fact are slightly different physical sizes 76.3gig vs 74.5gig so even though they are both marketed as 80 gig drives that does not translate into identical physical sizes. He was asking for the actual physical size of the seagate as compared to the actual physical size of the Hitachi. The actual physical size of a drive will vary somewhat from model to model regardless of what size it is marketed as.
 
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