What program IYO is the best for making web pages?

[elars]

FrontPage? Dreamweaver? What's your favorite web publishing software and why? I am a beginner and want to make functional and fun pages.

Thanks

 

[konichiwa]

My suggestion to you would be to learn HTML and use Notepad. It'll help ya in the long run.

 

[MrCodeDude]

CuteHTML.. But you have to know HTML to use it..
-- mrcodedude

 

[PliotronX]

WYSIWYG - Dreamweaver 4 hands down
WYSIWYN - Basically anything, I suggest First Page though

 

[rbV5]

konichiwa is right, notepad(or other basic text editor) and a reference such as
Webmonkey are your best bet.

 

[n0cmonkey]

vi

 

[FOBSIDE]

HTMLKIT is a good program. you set preferences and such so it can autocomplete your tags for you. good html editor.

 

[pulpp]

if you want to focus on your work rather than code, FrontPage is the best in my opinion

 

[stndn]

vi on unix machines
was notepad on windows machine.... now moving to vim

i guess i'm one of the old fashioned person who likes sticking hands on the keyboard all the time rather than moving back and forth to the mouse

anyways, most of the WYSIWYG editors are easy on beginners... but when it comes time to debug the code manually (eg: opening text editor and edit out some formatting), it will be a pita since those wysiwyg editors usually add useless junks to the html page (eg: useless headers, redundant tags, etc). also using those editors won't help much in terms of learning basic html.... you'll have to actually type them to learn them

and to answer your question further: start with learning basic html and the layout, etc. then decide for yourself which one you're more efficient "playing" with

and don't forget to try your pages on different browsers if you want to satisfy all customers

-515-

 

[synchronicity]

If you're going to make web pages using click-and-drool editors, please don't take up web design. Take up another hobby. Stamp collecting. Bonsai. Freshwater fishing. Anything but web design.

We don't need any more idiots who insist on ruining the web with their algorithmically generated, non-W3C compliant, verbose, overtabled, crash-prone HTML. If you just have to be an idiot, go ruin someone else's hobby, not ours.

Or learn to code HTML properly, using a text editor and nothing but, and we will all be happy.

Thanks.

 

[rbV5]

synchronicity, geez, that is completely uncalled for. Can you not ADD something to a valid thread, other than you tasteless drivel? You are not making friends here.

 

[synchronicity]

I gave the exact same advice that 5 other people gave. Namely, I strongly recommended using a text editor.

I just happened to explain why it's good for the Internet if he uses a text editor.

You got a problem with that?

 

[rbV5]

Here, let me use your post as an example:

We don't need any more idiots who insist on ruining this forum with their overinflated , attitude filled , unimaginative, Ego's, . If you just have to be an idiot, go ruin someone else's forum , not ours.


See, I could say something like that....OR

I could say: I can see you are a new member passionate about hardware/software, perhaps if you tone down your attacking posting style, and contribute your knowledge/opinion in a logical fashion, you will gain the respect of the members here and we can all benefit.

Your choice, I believe you probably have something positive to give to the forum, but we'll never see it if we have to filter the negative vibe from your posts.

 

[t0fut0fu]

Start with the basics in notepad so you actually understand what you are doing. Once you feel you are quite comfortable with html, I recommend looking into Allaire's Homesite. You still get to see the code, but it has some nice time-saving features.

 

[Chad]

This will need a mixed answer.

TextPad is pretty good... better than Notepad, but for for straight text editing HTML... Arachnophilia can't be touched!

For a WYSIWYG editor, go with HomeSite... it's about the all around best. Stay away from Dreamweaver, it's clunky. For making tables, FrontPage 2000 has no equal though.

There you have it.

Personally, I'd say go with Arachnophilia first, and learn HTML.

 

[Workin']

This question always starts the flaming!

Everybody has different styles and ways of learning. I like to think that I am fairly smart, but trying to learn how to create tables using notepad and reading from a book practically gave me a brain tumor. Letting FrontPage do the coding, then looking at it to see what tags matched up with what was shown in the browser, made it much easier for me to learn. In my experience, FrontPage adds some icky stuff to the HTML, and leaves some other stuff out. It doesn't really hurt anything (except synchronicity's elitist attitudes) to have that extra stuff in there. Once you learn what everything is, you can remove the junk with no ill effects. Also, even though I've been creating web sites for a few years now, I still use FrontPage. For making simple pages it does a fine job with no extra coding required, and although most of the pages I create now are ASP (Frontpage doesn't help or hurt the coding, it works just like Notepad in that case), it still is nice because FrontPage can update all the hyperlinks to a page if I change a filename, and one-button publishing to the web is good, too. There are other subtle things that are nice, and a few that are frustrating, too.

I haven't tried Dreamweaver because a 30MB download of the trial version is no fun on a 56k dial-up, and $400 for the program is a little steep.

 

[Helpless]

>If you just have to be an idiot, go ruin someone else's hobby, not ours.<



Speaking of idiots, ...



I guess you are related to Al Gore and have laid claim to the Internet.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< If you're going to make web pages using click-and-drool editors, please don't take up web design. Take up another hobby. Stamp collecting. Bonsai. Freshwater fishing. Anything but web design.

We don't need any more idiots who insist on ruining the web with their algorithmically generated, non-W3C compliant, verbose, overtabled, crash-prone HTML. If you just have to be an idiot, go ruin someone else's hobby, not ours.

Or learn to code HTML properly, using a text editor and nothing but, and we will all be happy.

Thanks. >>



Translated to nicer (I dont do this often and I actually agreed with his post) for the uhh sensitive people: Use a text editor like notepad or vi(m) or even an OS like emacs. The Internet is full of webpages that eliminate viewers by using non-standard compliant HTML and other features not supported on all modern OSes (flash). Most modern webdesigners are lazy and do not verify that the HTML they have written will work under the various browsers. I personally check Netscape, IE (when I can find a free Windows machine), lynx, and Opera (again with the windows machine). I have visited several sites in Netscape (not having a choice between graphical browsers at the moment) and could not view them. Either the site was all flash (which is a pain on 56k) or the designer did not know HTML and the site was designed for him for IE only, or the designer was lazy and did not check netscape. We can eliminate one problem by learning HTML. HTML is VERY simple and you should have no problems. If you do, you find a website using what you are trying to learn and look at the source. You should be able to figure it out. So in conclusion, if you want to learn how to make webpages and learn a valuable skill use a text editor. If you want to make a page with limited viewers use a program to do your work for you.

 

[Heifetz]

I don't understand why anyone would recommend notepad! The only time I would use notepad is to edit html and make minor changes. Other than that, use a good html editor that will have syntax coloring, macros, code snippets, and other features that will make your job A LOT simpler.


Notepad SUCKS.


Heifetz

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I don't understand why anyone would recommend notepad! The only time I would use notepad is to edit html and make minor changes. Other than that, use a good html editor that will have syntax coloring, macros, code snippets, and other features that will make your job A LOT simpler.


Notepad SUCKS.


Heifetz >>



Notepad sucks, use vi. If you read my post (taken from synchronicity's post) you would understand why. KISS (if you dont know what this stands for here is a hint: I dont like you that much).

 

[Chaotic42]

jed

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< jed >>


echo

 

[Chaotic42]

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<< jed >>


echo >>



Yeesh, that would suck. Might as well use ed

...what was ed written with? Echo?

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< jed >>


echo >>



Yeesh, that would suck. Might as well use ed

...what was ed written with? Echo? >>



Aww you messed it up. Guess you arent a userfriendly fan
Next should have been &quot;I edit the inodes by hand... With a magnet!)&quot; Oh well. Try not to use ed... Something about it just scares me

 

[Chaotic42]

<<
Aww you messed it up. Guess you arent a userfriendly fan
Next should have been &quot;I edit the inodes by hand... With a magnet!)&quot; Oh well. Try not to use ed... Something about it just scares me >>




Ahhh, sorry. I used to love UF. Then it seemed to turn into
&quot;Microsoft sucks, doesn't it?&quot;
&quot;Yes, Linux is good. I love Linus&quot;
&quot;I want to have his child&quot;

My bad, man.