What program are professional web designers using today?

eflat

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I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

notepad. </thread>
 

Zugzwang152

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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

If you learn "a program" you're going to be a sh|tty web designer. Learn the basics first, and learn how to do it by hand, not how to have it created for you with a program. You will be glad you did, if you're doing this for fun.

If you're doing it for work, then my advice is pretty much the same. The job listings I've seen normally don't mention specific programs anymore, but when they do, they list Dreamweaver more than any other. Keep in mind that it's not going to look good for you if you provide code samples and the reviewer can tell immediately all you did was use a Dreamweaver template. It's very obvious when you look at generated HTML versus handcoded. You're not going to impress any employer with your click-n-drag skills.
 

eflat

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Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

If you learn "a program" you're going to be a sh|tty web designer. Learn the basics first, and learn how to do it by hand, not how to have it created for you with a program. You will be glad you did, if you're doing this for fun.

If you're doing it for work, then my advice is pretty much the same. The job listings I've seen normally don't mention specific programs anymore, but when they do, they list Dreamweaver more than any other. Keep in mind that it's not going to look good for you if you provide code samples and the reviewer can tell immediately all you did was use a Dreamweaver template. It's very obvious when you look at generated HTML versus handcoded. You're not going to impress any employer with your click-n-drag skills.

Well thus far I have done everything in notepad. You can see http://www.campuscomputing.biz was all done in notepad and is not too bad for straight html if I might say so myself.

I figured there was a program that combined the best of both worlds by now that professionals would use. You know where you could get a real time preview and such that just is not available immediately in notepad.


Do you mean to tell me the folks that are making professional webpages are using notepage? Was Apple.com designed in notepad?

Was Anandtech made with notepad?

I'm not saying it isn't possible and really it would make my life much easier if that is considered the professional way to do it ;) But is that really the reality?


 
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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

If you learn "a program" you're going to be a sh|tty web designer. Learn the basics first, and learn how to do it by hand, not how to have it created for you with a program. You will be glad you did, if you're doing this for fun.

If you're doing it for work, then my advice is pretty much the same. The job listings I've seen normally don't mention specific programs anymore, but when they do, they list Dreamweaver more than any other. Keep in mind that it's not going to look good for you if you provide code samples and the reviewer can tell immediately all you did was use a Dreamweaver template. It's very obvious when you look at generated HTML versus handcoded. You're not going to impress any employer with your click-n-drag skills.

Well thus far I have done everything in notepad. You can see http://www.campuscomputing.biz was all done in notepad and is not too bad for straight html if I might say so myself.

I figured there was a program that combined the best of both worlds by now that professionals would use. You know where you could get a real time preview and such that just is not available immediately in notepad.


Do you mean to tell me the folks that are making professional webpages are using notepage? Was Apple.com designed in notepad?

Was Anandtech made with notepad?

I'm not saying it isn't possible and really it would make my life much easier if that is considered the professional way to do it ;) But is that really the reality?

bORDER = 0 kthx? That is like #1 in distinguishing nubs from decent designers.

I can bet you hand coding gets you A LOT further than that

But, Dreamweaver is pretty damn powerful today...
 

Zugzwang152

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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

If you learn "a program" you're going to be a sh|tty web designer. Learn the basics first, and learn how to do it by hand, not how to have it created for you with a program. You will be glad you did, if you're doing this for fun.

If you're doing it for work, then my advice is pretty much the same. The job listings I've seen normally don't mention specific programs anymore, but when they do, they list Dreamweaver more than any other. Keep in mind that it's not going to look good for you if you provide code samples and the reviewer can tell immediately all you did was use a Dreamweaver template. It's very obvious when you look at generated HTML versus handcoded. You're not going to impress any employer with your click-n-drag skills.

Well thus far I have done everything in notepad. You can see http://www.campuscomputing.biz was all done in notepad and is not too bad for straight html if I might say so myself.

I figured there was a program that combined the best of both worlds by now that professionals would use. You know where you could get a real time preview and such that just is not available immediately in notepad.


Do you mean to tell me the folks that are making professional webpages are using notepage? Was Apple.com designed in notepad?

Was Anandtech made with notepad?

I'm not saying it isn't possible and really it would make my life much easier if that is considered the professional way to do it ;) But is that really the reality?

THe professionals use applications to save time. They have the knowledge and experience to know when to use an application's built-in code generator, and when to write it themselves.

Also of note, Apple.com is an incredibly simple and elegant site. The layout can easily be done in notepad. It's their graphics and placement that makes it stand out. Something to keep in mind...
 

eflat

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Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

If you learn "a program" you're going to be a sh|tty web designer. Learn the basics first, and learn how to do it by hand, not how to have it created for you with a program. You will be glad you did, if you're doing this for fun.

If you're doing it for work, then my advice is pretty much the same. The job listings I've seen normally don't mention specific programs anymore, but when they do, they list Dreamweaver more than any other. Keep in mind that it's not going to look good for you if you provide code samples and the reviewer can tell immediately all you did was use a Dreamweaver template. It's very obvious when you look at generated HTML versus handcoded. You're not going to impress any employer with your click-n-drag skills.

Well thus far I have done everything in notepad. You can see http://www.campuscomputing.biz was all done in notepad and is not too bad for straight html if I might say so myself.

I figured there was a program that combined the best of both worlds by now that professionals would use. You know where you could get a real time preview and such that just is not available immediately in notepad.


Do you mean to tell me the folks that are making professional webpages are using notepage? Was Apple.com designed in notepad?

Was Anandtech made with notepad?

I'm not saying it isn't possible and really it would make my life much easier if that is considered the professional way to do it ;) But is that really the reality?

THe professionals use applications to save time. They have the knowledge and experience to know when to use an application's built-in code generator, and when to write it themselves.

Also of note, Apple.com is an incredibly simple and elegant site. The layout can easily be done in notepad. It's their graphics and placement that makes it stand out. Something to keep in mind...

Yes indeed. I would expect nothing less from Apple.
 

Juno

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

notepad. </thread>

winnAr!!
 

Modeps

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I use photoshop for designing pages, dreamweaver for laying out tables, then ultraedit-32 for getting in there and going to school on the code.

Ultraedit > Notepad. While you should be able to design pages by hand in notepad so you know what the hell your code is doing, the business world does not care if you make a page in notepad or dreamweaver. I dont recommend starting off with dreamweaver though, start off going to http://www.w3schools.com and learning HTML and CSS from the ground up.
 

ribbon13

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I would like to start learning a program and want just start right out using whatever if the standard so I do waste time learning some crappy program and then have to relearn with a real one?

So what are you good web designers using today?

Notepad++ </thread>

fixed.
 

eflat

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Originally posted by: Modeps
I use photoshop for designing pages, dreamweaver for laying out tables, then ultraedit-32 for getting in there and going to school on the code.

Ultraedit > Notepad. While you should be able to design pages by hand in notepad so you know what the hell your code is doing, the business world does not care if you make a page in notepad or dreamweaver. I dont recommend starting off with dreamweaver though, start off going to http://www.w3schools.com and learning HTML and CSS from the ground up.

I know I'll learn it right ;) Do not worry my friend.
 

oboeguy

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Please, use something better than Notepad. At least use emacs or something that offers code highlighting. Hardcore notepad users can wallow in their hardcoreness all they want, I don't care.

BTW, w3schools is great, worth many visits. :)
 

SagaLore

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Notepad for code changes.

Frontpage for preliminary layout/css editing.

Adobe for graphics creation.
 

mercanucaribe

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Notepad is a lot of busy work... If you know html basics, why bother typing <blahblah> <bklahahsdfd> <dsfdd>?? It seriously is not a big accomplishment to mindlessly type tags, so I don't see why it makes some of you feel like manly men.
 

homesite for code
photoshop and illustrator for graphics

i'm all for hardcoding (haven't touched wysiwyg in years), but notepad blows for coding.
 

randomlinh

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Oct 9, 1999
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linh.wordpress.com
topstyle (basically homesite, same programmer, different name after homesite was bought out) for code. i'm lazy, and like the fact i am prompted w/ a list of optoins i can use for tags :)
 

rh71

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Dreamweaver MX at least... (used to use ColdFusion Studio then Homesite+, which both turned into DWMX)

Notepad is only good for quick edits but DW helps with big sites because of file management (keeping link references in order), color coding (keeps you from going blind trying to find things) and the ability to edit directly from the FTP (or RDS). Can't be any quicker than that anyway.