what political or social injustice riles you up the most?

[nehalem256]

Do you think that if the punishment were as severe as that that corporations would make sure mistakes with consequences don't happen? What if the CEO were made to take responibility and the resulting punishment? Do you think companies my think twice?

So you don't understand the difference of a person dying because of a MISTAKE and a person dying because you purposefully put a bullet in their chest?

So yes, if a company commits an illegal act they should be punished accordingly and yeah people will be out of work, it's called accountability.

What illegal act are you talking about? Previously you were talking about "executing" them for making mistakes.

It seems to me that rational people decided not to make life worse for 1000s, because of the mistakes of a few.

 

[nehalem256]

that is true, but I'll use an example that was brought up in the media not long ago. Tania is a 28 year old single mother of four, she has never worked a day in her life but after taxes she takes in almost $60k/year, she has a large apartment (about the size of your average danish house), the family has 3 cellphones, internet and cable tv, they go on vacations each year (last year it was turkey, the year before that bulgaria), she smokes and from pictures of her apartment I could see plenty of bottles of white wine hanging from a wine rack (not that cigarettes and white wine is reserved for the rich, but they are "luxury" items). She herself has said she is not poor, in some countries she'd be a 1%'er with that income for god's sake, but I still have to listen to bleeding hearts talk about how bad people like her have it.

our welfare system has served us well for a long time due to our small size and demographics

Wait a minute, you are telling me that story AND saying that the welfare system is serving you well

 

[Acanthus]

Wait a minute, you are telling me that story AND saying that the welfare system is serving you well

Because with a solid social welfare system, the children are not limited in opportunity by their parents... It is also good for the economy for all members, including the elderly, disabled, and single mothers, etc to have disposable income. It strengthens the economy via commerce and the related residual effects.

 

[nehalem256]

Because with a solid social welfare system, the children are not limited in opportunity by their parents... It is also good for the economy for all members, including the elderly, disabled, and single mothers, etc to have disposable income. It strengthens the economy via commerce and the related residual effects.

One of the bolded groups is not like the other in that it is a CHOICE. If you subsidize bad choices then you are encouraging it.

And the children are still limited in opportunity. Do you think that the kind of people who choose to have children and leach off society are going to be good parents in general anyway?

The point of social welfare is not to benefit children. It is to benefit women. This is shown clearly by the case of Octomom who has no business being anywhere near children, but yet the state still allowed her to be a mother.

And it does nothing to strengthen the economy. You take money from one group of people(who can no longer spend it) and give it to another to spend.

EDIT: And from your own story: "the family has 3 cellphones, internet and cable tv, they go on vacations each year (last year it was turkey, the year before that bulgaria), she smokes and from pictures of her apartment I could see plenty of bottles of white wine hanging from a wine rack"

Those are all things that have nothing to do with ensuring the children will have a good future. And in fact a number of them are PURELY to benefit the woman leaching off society.

 

[Acanthus]

One of the bolded groups is not like the other in that it is a CHOICE. If you subsidize bad choices then you are encouraging it.

And the children are still limited in opportunity. Do you think that the kind of people who choose to have children and leach off society are going to be good parents in general anyway?

The point of social welfare is not to benefit children. It is to benefit women. This is shown clearly by the case of Octomom who has no business being anywhere near children, but yet the state still allowed her to be a mother.

And it does nothing to strengthen the economy. You take money from one group of people(who can no longer spend it) and give it to another to spend.

EDIT: And from your own story: "the family has 3 cellphones, internet and cable tv, they go on vacations each year (last year it was turkey, the year before that bulgaria), she smokes and from pictures of her apartment I could see plenty of bottles of white wine hanging from a wine rack"

Those are all things that have nothing to do with ensuring the children will have a good future. And in fact a number of them are PURELY to benefit the woman leaching off society.

A single mother can be that way for many reasons. Shit happens. The kids shouldn't pay for the parents mistakes. The only part i really have a problem with is the vacations.

 

[nehalem256]

A single mother can be that way for many reasons. Shit happens.

Shit doesn't just happen.

Bad choices happen.

How many children are born each year to single mothers? A fact that is 100% preventable.

The kids shouldn't pay for the parents mistakes.

And you don't think the child will pay from having a selfish irresponsible mother and quite possibly no father in their life?

The only part i really have a problem with is the vacations.

But you have no problem with the cigarettes and alcohol?

At least you can make the case that the vacations benefit the children.

 

[Acanthus]

Shit doesn't just happen.

Bad choices happen.

How many children are born each year to single mothers? A fact that is 100% preventable.



And you don't think the child will pay from having a selfish irresponsible mother and quite possibly no father in their life?



But you have no problem with the cigarettes and alcohol?

At least you can make the case that the vacations benefit the children.

What about widows? Broken condoms? Divorces where the dad takes off?

I don't care too much about cigs and alcohol because everyone has to let loose... being a single mother of 4 is a full-time job.

 

[Incorruptible]

the retarded notion that we have poor people here in Denmark, just because you can't afford the latest ipad does not make you fucking poor, get back to me when you can't put a roof over your head and food on the table.

I agree completelty with this. The measure used to determine if people are in poverty is horribly inaccurate, People who have a TV, smartphone and other things are NOT in poverty.

The second most would be people who choose to commit vile actions like producing children they can't reasonably raise and still have the cheek to defend their actions as a right, and actually catering to those depraved is the first.

Agree, People should not have kids if they cant afford them and they should not expect others to pay for them.

Other things that are wrong is the tax system which is horribly corrupted, the War on Drugs, Attacks on the Constitution, government run healthcare, Policing the world and telling them how to run their country.

Partisan hacks who aren't interested in debate but rather shouting down at their opponents.

People who use the race as a way to end a debate.

 

[Mixolydian]

Large corporations paying little to no taxes.

 

[nehalem256]

What about widows? Broken condoms? Divorces where the dad takes off?

How many single mothers do you think are widows? Take a wild guess.

You do realize that (at least for the US) 2/3 divorces are initiated by women? So who is it that is taking off again?

EDIT: And how often when the guy does take off was he of say "questionable character" before you decided to mate with him?

As for broken condoms you do realize that there are ways to deal with that. Morning after pill, abortions. As far as I know both of those are available, quite possibly for free, in Denmark.

 

[zsdersw]

Free coffee but no free soda.

Soda sucks unless it is mixed with liquor.

 

[PokerGuy]

notion that we have poor people here in Denmark

I'll give you guys credit for a great export though, Volbeat is awesome. Now carry on