What? No government shutdown threads?

[AViking]

I get it. You're a Nader fan.

 

[Texashiker]

I get it. You're a Nader fan.

Who is the federal reserve accountable to? Is the fed chairman voted into office by the people? Do we the people have the right to recall the fed chairman?

How many times has the fed been audited? I think once?

The federal reserve undermines the very principle of a republic. As they are untouchable by the voters, and out of reach of government regulators.

A private organization prints money out of thin air, then proclaims that the money has value? And for some reason the world is supposed to have confidence in this system?

Let the government shut down, and let it default.

The world will be a better place because of it.

 

[IronWing]

Let the government shut down, and let it default.

The world will be a better place because of it.

Do tell. Please elaborate on your expectations of what will happen if the US defaults on its debt. Wax poetic, I really want to understand your position.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

His position is clear, the world will be better off the less influence the US has in it from shooting itself in the foot. Also, America fuck yeah!

 

[Texashiker]

Do tell. Please elaborate on your expectations of what will happen if the US defaults on its debt. Wax poetic, I really want to understand your position.

Would you pay a private organization run our military? An organization that is not answerable to the public should be trusted with weapons of war?

What about pass our laws? Would you pay a private organization to pass our laws?

Would you pay a private organization to run our courts? Someone who has no accountability should be making decisions for other people? Someone who will always favor wall street over the people? Is that the kind of people you want in charge of your courts?

Then why should we trust a private organization to print our money and control the financial markets?

The united states will never be able to pay off its debts as we do not print our own money.

The federal reserve and the US government has built a house of cards. A house that depends on our government to keep borrowing money.

How long will this shard last?

 

[cbrunny]

This is how the left rolls. Obama and his flying monkey, Harry Reid have said over and over and over that there will be no negotiations. Meanwhile, the House has brought forward numerous proposals. The left then says that the right are spoiled brats. What a fucking hoot! I love it! Meanwhile 83% of the government is still running and the people are getting used to this as the new status quo.

So what if the Amber Alert system is down because we've still got Let's Move! Kids with Cancer? Nyet! White House chefs and Obama's nearby golfcourse? Da!

Here's a list of shutdowns by our spoiled brat in chief who is acting like a fucking teenager who can't get his way. This is not a man we have as president, this is an immature fanatic who wields his power in a pouting haphazard fashion when he doesn't get his way. And the left loves him to death for it!

What the left forgets is that the right doesn't always get mad, but it always gets even.

*UPDATED* The List: Unnecessarily Shut Down by Obama to Inflict Public Pain

Lol what? Obamacare passed the House and Senate. Republicans are having second thoughts about a bill they already passed. By definition, Obama already got his way. The Republicans are grasping at straws to deny this undeniable truth.

 

[Texashiker]

His position is clear, the world will be better off the less influence the US has in it from shooting itself in the foot. Also, America fuck yeah!

One of the purposes of BRICKS is to get developing nations away from the US dollar and away from the world bank.

As long as nations borrow US dollars, the US government can have influence on that nation.

One way to fix that is for the US economy to collapse. During that time a replacement world currency will have time to step in.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

One of the purposes of BRICKS is to get developing nations away from the US dollar and away from the world bank.

As long as nations borrow US dollars, the US government can have influence on that nation.

One way to fix that is for the US economy to collapse. During that time a replacement world currency will have time to step in.

You sound like a Chinese sleeper agent.

 

[Juddog]

One of the purposes of BRICKS is to get developing nations away from the US dollar and away from the world bank.

As long as nations borrow US dollars, the US government can have influence on that nation.

One way to fix that is for the US economy to collapse. During that time a replacement world currency will have time to step in.

So now you want the US to collapse. Thank you for finally showing your true colors and just admitting up front that you're nuts.

 

[Texashiker]

You sound like a Chinese sleeper agent.

So now you want the US to collapse. Thank you for finally showing your true colors and just admitting up front that you're nuts.

The US economy needs to collapse and then rebuilt.

Take a look at our financial situation. Can we continue to bail out the banks, print money out of thin air and favor wall street forever?

Unbridled capitalism will implode sooner or later. Its just a matter of time before greed takes its toll on our financial markets.

 

[AViking]

Texashiker you sound very unhealthy. There are very few things in the world that require a complete failure and collapse in order to fix. I don't tear down my house in order to redo the kitchen.

 

[Juddog]

The US economy needs to collapse and then rebuilt.

Take a look at our financial situation. Can we continue to bail out the banks, print money out of thin air and favor wall street forever?

The US doesn't need to collapse - that statement is moronic.

 

[dank69]

The US doesn't need to collapse - that statement is moronic.

The US DOES need to collapse. Otherwise Texashiker's predictions that it will collapse will not come true.

 

[Texashiker]

Texashiker you sound very unhealthy. There are very few things in the world that require a complete failure and collapse in order to fix. I don't tear down my house in order to redo the kitchen.

The foundation of the US economy is riddled with corruption on the highest levels.

 

[AViking]

The foundation of the US economy is riddled with corruption on the highest levels.

That's true.

Idiots keep voting idiots into office.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The foundation of the US economy is riddled with corruption on the highest levels.

So the better alternative to destroy it entirely. Well you've certainly won me over.

 

[IronWing]

Would you pay a private organization run our military? An organization that is not answerable to the public should be trusted with weapons of war?

What about pass our laws? Would you pay a private organization to pass our laws?

Would you pay a private organization to run our courts? Someone who has no accountability should be making decisions for other people? Someone who will always favor wall street over the people? Is that the kind of people you want in charge of your courts?

Then why should we trust a private organization to print our money and control the financial markets?

The united states will never be able to pay off its debts as we do not print our own money.

The federal reserve and the US government has built a house of cards. A house that depends on our government to keep borrowing money.

How long will this shard last?

You evaded the question. Have you even thought about what would happen if the US defaults?

 

[Texashiker]

So the better alternative to destroy it entirely. Well you've certainly won me over.

The situation is not going to fix itself.

Since the 1980s the same names keep reappearing in the news. Advisers to the fed, advisers to the president,,,,. Those are the same people who got laws passed in the 1990s that contributed to the collapse of 2008.

How much debt is enough? 18 trillion, 20 trillion, 50 trillion? Maybe even unlimited national debt? So much debt the federal reserve builds a couple of factories just to print money?

How much debt do we have to have before someone says no more?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The situation is not going to fix itself.

Since the 1980s the same names keep reappearing in the news. Advisers to the fed, advisers to the president,,,,. Those are the same people who got laws passed in the 1990s that contributed to the collapse of 2008.

How much debt is enough? 18 trillion, 20 trillion, 50 trillion? Maybe even unlimited national debt? So much debt the federal reserve builds a couple of factories just to print money?

How much debt do we have to have before someone says no more?

That's up to our creditors, not morons throwing a tantrum over an arbitrary number.

 

[Texashiker]

That's up to our creditors, not morons throwing a tantrum over an arbitrary number.

How long is the debt going to go on before someone in congress says no more?

 

[fskimospy]

How long is the debt going to go on before someone in congress says no more?

What's funny is that you don't seem to realize that not raising the debt ceiling would probably make our debt situation worse. Debt is most accurately measured by debt/GDP ratio. The resulting large contraction of GDP along with increased borrowing costs to roll over existing debt would exacerbate the exact problem you think this solves.

Also, will you acknowledge you were wrong about employer health benefits being taxed?

 

[Texashiker]

Also, will you acknowledge you were wrong about employer health benefits being taxed?

Nope.

Some plans will be taxed, some wont. I do not have a "Cadillac" plan so maybe my employer contributions will not be taxed.

In the end, I look for all plans to be taxed. Just like the income tax was supposed to tax the rich. And now the middle class carries the burden.

Once the tax ball starts rolling it does not stop.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The national debt is up to congress.

Good grief. Without me wasting any more time on this, let me say that if we were on the verge a legitimate debt crisis these numbers:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield
would be trending much, much higher and this number
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reserve_currencies.svg
would be trending much, much lower. As it is all we have are morons trying to artificially create a crisis by stamping their feet and refusing to pay the bills.

 

[IronWing]

Can we conclude that you really have given no thought at all to what will happen in the event of a US default? Burn it down and let's make soap out of the ashes.

 

[Texashiker]

As it is all we have are morons trying to artificially create a crisis by stamping their feet and refusing to pay the bills.

I have no problem with congress not paying their bills, as they have no money to pay their bills with.

We are broke, and it is as simple as that.

When you are broke you do not go around borrowing money you know will never get paid back.