What? No government shutdown threads?

[Wreckem]

That makes even less sense as the topic was Iran.

That is the problem with tea party. They are not rational. They are the ones who don't compromise, then claim its the other party not compromising. I don't think they know what compromising is. The Tea party has always been my way or the highway. Bohner compromised last time around and the tea party was kicking and screaming all the way, fuck they are still kicking and screaming about it, which is why we are where we are.

And why would the Dems want to compromise for a 3 week continuing resolution? Thats a fucking absurdity. It is wholly irrational of the tea party to think dismantling/delaying of Obamacare for a 3 week CR is a compromise.

 

[Agent11]

As Jon Stewart said:

“If it turns out that President Barack Obama can made a deal with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with Republicans , maybe he’s not the problem.”

Obama and the Senate refused to negotiate. They never even argued what sort of changes could be considered by both sides on the floor of the Senate.

It is impossible to make a deal when you won't even entertain the discussion.

So my question would be why is Obama willing to negotiate with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with House Republicans?

 

[Wreckem]

Obama and the Senate refused to negotiate. They never even argued what sort of changes could be considered by both sides on the floor of the senate.

It is impossible to make a deal when you won't even entertain the discussion.

So my question would be why is Obama willing to negotiate with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with House Republicans?

They negotiated back when the ACA was fucking passed. The budgeting process is NOT A FUCKING WAY TO RE-LEGISLATE LEGISLATION YOU LOST ON.

You want to change it campaign for it get a majority elected and then change it. Oh wait, they tried, and failed. Now they are just flailing around and acting like petulant children.

 

[shadow9d9]

Obama and the Senate refused to negotiate. They never even argued what sort of changes could be considered by both sides on the floor of the Senate.

It is impossible to make a deal when you won't even entertain the discussion.

So my question would be why is Obama willing to negotiate with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with House Republicans?

There was nothing given by republicans, so there is nothing TO negotiate about. Do what I say or we won't allow the government to pay the bills? Negotiating would mean that the republicans get what they want or the republicans get what they want... how is that "compromise."

 

[michal1980]

It rarely does; that party is so politically tone-deaf it boggles the mind, and I say this as someone who leans right-ish and is no fan of the Dems. The GOP just seems to be digging itself a bigger and bigger hole. Luckily, though, the Dems get blinded by their own arrogance and usually manage to screw up enough to make the GOP look good again in a few years, because it's not like most GOPers have enough charisma to get elected on their own. What a mess.

because ACA was passed so legitimately? LOL right.

 

[Agent11]

Reasoning like that is why the government is shut down.

Everyone agrees the ACA needs modifications. If the House demands those modifications be made in order to pass funding, why not?

What you are seeing is the Senate and the President trying to dictate to the House. It doesn't work that way.

 

[shadow9d9]

Reasoning like that is why the government is shut down.

Everyone agrees the ACA needs modifications. If the House demands those modifications be made in order to pass funding, why not?

Nothing was given in return. Compromise requires both sides to give something up.

The only thing being asked is that the government be allowed to pay its bills like it has for 300 years. Asking government to be allowed to function is not "dictating" anything.

 

[michal1980]

They negotiated back when the ACA was fucking passed. The budgeting process is NOT A FUCKING WAY TO RE-LEGISLATE LEGISLATION YOU LOST ON.

You want to change it campaign for it get a majority elected and then change it. Oh wait, they tried, and failed. Now they are just flailing around and acting like petulant children.

They did not.

how many republican votes did the ACA get? If there was compromise you'd think they would have gotten at least one.

Obama from day one was my way or the highway. And now the democrat's are surprised the republicans dont want to play nice?

 

[Agent11]

The House has been trying to do something about the ACA for months, the Senate killed any attempts.

That is why things resorted to this.

Stop trying to paint the Senate and President as blameless, it isn't working.

 

[Wreckem]

Obama and the Senate refused to negotiate. They never even argued what sort of changes could be considered by both sides on the floor of the senate.

It is impossible to make a deal when you won't even entertain the discussion.

So my question would be why is Obama willing to negotiate with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with House Republicans?

They negotiated back when the ACA was fucking passed. The budgeting process is NOT A FUCKING WAY TO RE-LEGISLATE LEGISLATION YOU LOST ON.

You want to change it campaign for it get a majority elected and then change it. Oh wait, they tried, and failed. Now they are just flailing around and acting like petulant children.

Also you need to look up what compromise is. The GOP wasn't wanting to compromise with their defund, delay or shut down tactic. They won't budge from the delay/defund stand, so thats not compromising. What you want is capitulation, not compromise.

The moderate Republicans in the House were trying to offer a compromise, but they fell 17 republican votes short yesterday.

 

[MagickMan]

Uhmmm, if you think this won't be a big deal by the end of October you have zero understanding of markets. Might want to look up what's happening around October 17th.

I understand the debt ceiling, I simply don't care. It can be worked out and I hope they stick to their guns and make DC become more fiscally responsible.

 

[AViking]

Reasoning like that is why the government is shut down.

Everyone agrees the ACA needs modifications. If the House demands those modifications be made in order to pass funding, why not?

What you are seeing is the Senate and the President trying to dictate to the House. It doesn't work that way.

They do?

 

[Texashiker]

That makes even less sense as the topic was Iran.

Wont be long and we will be sending aid to iran.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

They do?

I don't. I think it needs to be deleted - not just modified.

 

[shadow9d9]

The House has been trying to do something about the ACA for months, the Senate killed any attempts.

That is why things resorted to this.

Stop trying to paint the Senate and President as blameless, it isn't working.

Not getting what you want doesn't mean that you stop government from paying your bills to get your way. Minorities can't dictate what they want.

 

[AViking]

Wont be long and we will be sending aid to iran.

What are you basing this on?

Do you have an objection to an open dialogue with Iran?

I've come to learn that as Americans we know absolutely nothing about Iran. So lets start there, be able to sit at the same table, and talk about shit rather than have a 45 year silent treatment.

 

[Wreckem]

They did not.

how many republican votes did the ACA get? If there was compromise you'd think they would have gotten at least one.

Obama from day one was my way or the highway. And now the democrat's are surprised the republicans dont want to play nice?

How many times was it fucking amended? Oh thats right there were 161 Republican amendments that made it into the final bill....

I guess that is not compromising...

Dumbass.

 

[MagickMan]

LOL. Of course, because employment has been at 100% the last few years with companies clamoring so hard for workers, that benefits and wages are going through the roof in the private sector.

Correct, finding work isn't that difficult right now. They'd better get on it now, no sense in waiting.

 

[Agent11]

Not getting what you want doesn't mean that you stop government from paying your bills to get your way. Minorities can't dictate what they want.

The House is not a minority, it is an equal body of Congress.

 

[fskimospy]

I understand the debt ceiling, I simply don't care. It can be worked out and I hope they stick to their guns and make DC become more fiscally responsible.

If you don't care, you don't understand the debt ceiling. Debt/GDP ratio has a numerator and a denominator. When you understand that you will agree with me.

 

[Wreckem]

Correct, finding work isn't that difficult right now. They'd better get on it now, no sense in waiting.

I don't know what reality you are living in. Outside a couple professions and retail/hospitality, the labor market is still quite difficult for most people looking for work. Not only that the labor market is still be squeezed and wages are still being depressed.

 

[shadow9d9]

The House is not a minority, it is an equal body of Congress.

If they don't have enough in all of congress to pass something, then there is no requirement that they get it passed. It doesn't mean you refuse to pay the bills unless they get their way. The Democrats have never done this before and this is becoming a regular activity of the republicans.

If the democrats have majorities in congress and the presidency, then the house is indeed a minority.

 

[MagickMan]

If you don't care, you don't understand the debt ceiling. Debt/GDP ratio has a numerator and a denominator. When you understand that you will agree with me.

You're completely delusional. The debt ceiling being raised only affects new spending, not outstanding debt or current ratings. Take an economics course, seriously.

 

[evident]

Then they can find new jobs.

yeah, 1 million more unemployed. you really think that's realistic? screw the tea party for ruining our government and fucking over the middle class. AGAIN

 

[Matt1970]

Uhmm, yes. That's been my whole point for literally the entire thread. How on god's earth did you miss it?

If the Republicans want to defund/repeal the ACA they are free to do so. They can't do it because they keep losing elections, so instead they try to hold the government hostage.

They lost 2010? Oh I see, losing one election is "keep losing elections"