What? No government shutdown threads?

[Doc Savage Fan]

I would be fine if there was a bipartisan agreement on fiscal policy to resolve this. That will mean a republican offer that includes tax increases or some other such concession on their part. While I think further spending cuts are foolish, there is a big difference between a policy I don't like and a situation that I think threatens effective governance.

The thing I object to is the extortion and hostage taking, not spending compromise. What is often overlooked by the way is that democrats already accepted sequester level spending in the CR they passed, despite how objectionable it is.

Many Republicans ran for office on the promise to bring fiscal responsibility to Washington. The House does their job each year and submits their budget to the Senate and the Senate does nothing each year. No negotiations to resolve differences....nada. Sound familiar?

Anyway, the only tools Republicans have left to force negotiations are the spending bill and debt ceiling. If Senate leadership would do their job in the first place perhaps these bullshit tactics could have been avoided. Plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.

 

[AViking]

Your premise is wrong. There's nothing to negotiate here.

 

[TerryMathews]

Your premise is wrong. There's nothing to negotiate here.

Obviously...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your premise is wrong. There's nothing to negotiate here.

Then don't negotiate an inch and feel good about it.

 

[boomerang]

Many Republicans ran for office on the promise to bring fiscal responsibility to Washington. The House does their job each year and submits their budget to the Senate and the Senate does nothing each year. No negotiations to resolve differences....nada. Sound familiar?

Anyway, the only tools Republicans have left to force negotiations are the spending bill and debt ceiling. If Senate leadership would do their job in the first place perhaps these bullshit tactics could have been avoided. Plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.

They absolutely would have been avoided. This "crisis" is one brought on by the conscious decision of the Senate, under the "leadership" of Harry Reid to not do their job. That is the root cause of the situation we're in today. If good old Harry had done what he was supposed to do, this battle wouldn't be going on right now.

Of course this leads to the question, why did Harry not do what he's supposed to do? Who does he answer to? It couldn't be more obvious.

So now we know why Dem's are so torqued up by this whole situation. They brought it upon themselves. If we had a media truly interested in doing some old fashioned reporting, the Dem's would be having a new asshole torn every day. No worries in that regard.

Off on a bit of a tangent now. This is going to get settled soon. Our mortgage holder has made it clear they're wanting a conclusion to the strife. They want their interests protected. Dear Leader is now between a rock and a hard place. On one side is his ideology, his premier piece of legislation, his legacy and on the other side - China. The country that is keeping our way of life afloat. No choice for him really. He'll need a little time to come to grips with it but the choice is already made. He just needs to get comfortable with it.

 

[Lash444]

Then don't negotiate an inch and feel good about it.

R: Remove Obamacare.
D; What? What's in it for us?
R: Nothing. Do you accept?
D; What? No. You haven't even offered anything.
R: So you don't accept the deal? Well at least compromise.
D; No. What are you going to give us?
R: Nothing.
D; How is that compromise?
R: We are here to negotiate. Why aren't you negotiating?
D; You aren't even putting anything on the table to discuss.
R: Give us your Obamacare or I'm closing down the government.
D; That doesn't even make sense. Do you want the government shut down?
R: No and neither do you.
D; Oh, okay then. That makes sense. Your not going to do this in 6 months again, right?
R: Of course not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

R: Remove Obamacare.
D: What? What's in it for us?
R: Nothing. Do you accept?
D: What? No. You haven't even offered anything.
R: So you don't accept the deal? Well at least compromise.
D: No. What are you going to give us?
R: Nothing.
D: How is that compromise?
R: We are here to negotiate. Why aren't you negotiating?
D: You aren't even putting anything on the table to discuss.
R: Give us your Obamacare or I'm closing down the government.
D: That doesn't even make sense. Do you want the government shut down?
R: No and neither do you.
D: Oh, okay then. That makes sense. Your not going to do this in 6 months again, right?
R: Of course not.

I know that this may be difficult for you to understand...but our government is set up this way for a reason.

 

[fskimospy]

Many Republicans ran for office on the promise to bring fiscal responsibility to Washington. The House does their job each year and submits their budget to the Senate and the Senate does nothing each year. No negotiations to resolve differences....nada. Sound familiar?

Anyway, the only tools Republicans have left to force negotiations are the spending bill and debt ceiling. If Senate leadership would do their job in the first place perhaps these bullshit tactics could have been avoided. Plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.

This is simply historically false. Go look again.

 

[AViking]

I know that this may be difficult for you to understand...but our government is set up this way for a reason.

Explain

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is simply historically false. Go look again.

It what be helpful if you gave me a clue as to what you're talking about...better yet, why don't you speak plainly?

 

[fskimospy]

It what be helpful if you gave me a clue as to what you're talking about...better yet, why don't you speak plainly?

You claimed the Senate has not passed a budget and will not negotiate with the House. The Senate passed its own budget in March and Democrats have requested to conference with the House to negotiate out the differences no fewer than 18 times. Senate Republicans filibustered the appointment of conference members and the House repeatedly refused to appoint their own.

Pretty simple, really. The Republicans were never interested in negotiation or compromise, they were interested in trying to force unilateral concessions using a fiscal crisis.

 

[Lash444]

You claimed the Senate has not passed a budget and will not negotiate with the House. The Senate passed its own budget in March and Democrats have requested to conference with the House to negotiate out the differences no fewer than 18 times. Senate Republicans filibustered the appointment of conference members and the House repeatedly refused to appoint their own.

Pretty simple, really. The Republicans were never interested in negotiation or compromise, they were interested in trying to force unilateral concessions using a fiscal crisis.

Let me guess Doc...

<Blah blubbity blah blah> "I know that this may be difficult for you to understand...but our government is set up this way for a reason."

Working as intended.

 

[Juddog]

You claimed the Senate has not passed a budget and will not negotiate with the House. The Senate passed its own budget in March and Democrats have requested to conference with the House to negotiate out the differences no fewer than 18 times. Senate Republicans filibustered the appointment of conference members and the House repeatedly refused to appoint their own.

Pretty simple, really. The Republicans were never interested in negotiation or compromise, they were interested in trying to force unilateral concessions using a fiscal crisis.

Doc busted with his pants down lying outright yet again.

 

[Pens1566]

Apparently the votes to end it are there, Boehner just won't put it to a vote.

/slowclap

 

[dainthomas]

I know that this may be difficult for you to understand...but our government is set up this way for a reason.

But the Republicans have nothing to offer. Do they want the gov't shut down? No? Do they want the US to default? No? Then it's a hollow threat.

It's like a robber saying "Give me your wallet or I'll shoot myself!"

"Ummm, ok."

 

[Juddog]

But the Republicans have nothing to offer. Do they want the gov't shut down? No? Do they want the US to default? No? Then it's a hollow threat.

It's like a robber saying "Give me your wallet or I'll shoot myself!"

"Ummm, ok."

It's more like a robber having an explosive vest, saying "give me your wallet or I'll blow us both up".

 

[sportage]

Your name is Ted.
Ted is married with two children.
Two children named Billy and Lily.
A thug moves in next door.
This thug wants Billy and Lily.
This thug's only desire is to kill Billy and Lily.
So this thug takes Billy hostage.
This thug is holding Billy hostage with some THE SAW MOVIE type of gadget tied to Billy, so that the touching of a button by this thug would, say, would behead Billy, but this thug also knows Ted still has Lily, and this thug also wants Lily, and Ted refuses to give up Lily, so this thug waits days and days and still no LILY, so this thug starts talking crap on every national TV news station saying WELL.. TED WONT NEGOTIATE AND IM NOT RELEASING BILLY UNTIL TED NEGOTIATES ABOUT LILY BUT TED WONT NEGOTIATE WITH ME, and so Ted then offers to negotiate, and WHAT does Ted think this thug is going to insist on in that negotiation?
The lawn furniture?
The only reason this thug will not release Billy is that this thug also knows Ted still has possession of Lily.
And the only reason this thug took Billy is because this thug wanted BOTH Billy and Lily.
So in all reality, the word "negotiation" is a non word.
It may as well not even exist.
Think of this like a math problem needing solved.
Then do the math....

But never mind about that now.

This first math problem is nothing compared to the second math problem soon to come.
However, as with the first math problem, with the second you are still dealing with this same thug next door.
The unknown variable?
This thug also knows you have a wife, Millie.

So&#8230; What? No Millie threads?
.
.

 

[werepossum]

These are the only times when Obama & Reid are open to actually listening.

If the two sides were capable of working together, we wouldn't be in this position. But they are not. The choice is between either (1) full Democratic control of the federal government despite Republicans having the majority in the house, or (2) these kinds of situations around major items of legislation.

You feel the first option is more tolerable than the second, while others feel the second option is more tolerable than the first. Neither options are perfect, but those are the only options available.

Very well said, sir.

Many Republicans ran for office on the promise to bring fiscal responsibility to Washington. The House does their job each year and submits their budget to the Senate and the Senate does nothing each year. No negotiations to resolve differences....nada. Sound familiar?

Anyway, the only tools Republicans have left to force negotiations are the spending bill and debt ceiling. If Senate leadership would do their job in the first place perhaps these bullshit tactics could have been avoided. Plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.

Agreed, but there is one difference now. The Senate finally did pass a budget and the House has refused to consider it or go to reconciliation.

The GOP should have done this years ago. They should not do it now. Or at the least, not without an up or down vote on the Senate budget and the House budget in the Senate, followed by an honest attempt at reconciliation.

 

[shortylickens]

The only way we can "balance" things is to raise taxes AND slash programs. I dont see anyone jumping to do that.

 

[fskimospy]

The only way we can "balance" things is to raise taxes AND slash programs. I dont see anyone jumping to do that.

You realize that is basically obamas position, word for word, right?

 

[MiniDoom]

The only way we can "balance" things is to raise taxes AND slash programs. I dont see anyone jumping to do that.

we will be forced to do it as other nations ditch the petrodollar.

 

[dank69]

we will be forced to do it as other nations ditch the petrodollar.

Is petrodollar the new buzzword? I hate it already. Not as much as false flag, though.

 

[TerryMathews]

Is petrodollar the new buzzword? I hate it already. Not as much as false flag, though.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar

Hardly new.

 

[MiniDoom]

Is petrodollar the new buzzword? I hate it already. Not as much as false flag, though.

not since Nixon Shock unless you've been living under a rock.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You realize that is basically obamas position, word for word, right?

I stand corrected, the Democrat controlled Senate did offer one budget in the past 4 years while completely shirking their duty the other 3 years. I see the tax increases in the Senate budget submitted last March; however, I must have missed the slashing in programs that you say Obama was requesting. In fact, the Senate budget included $100B in additional "stimulus" spending along with nearly a trillion dollars in tax increases! Dems say that their budget has $975 billion in "revenue increases" that are "matched" by spending cuts and interest savings. But here's the rub...the Senate budget actually reversed $1T in previously agreed to spending cuts and somehow did not account for this effective increase in spending using their highly creative "math". Democrats are being outrageously dishonest with their doublespeak.

Tax and spend...tax and spend...tax and spend...the Democrat's solution to everything. Republicans have had enough of this incessant bullshit and I don't blame them for being mad as hell.