What...me worry?

[sportage]

Once thing for sure. Who ever wins, the country is going to be hard divided for the next 4 years. I dont see any chance of uniting together. Neither of the two will be able to do that.
Democrats will pure hate Mccain for 4 years, or republicans and Rush L. will pure hate Obama for 4 years.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sportage
Once thing for sure. Who ever wins, the country is going to be hard divided for the next 4 years. I dont see any chance of uniting together. Neither of the two will be able to do that.
Democrats will pure hate Mccain for 4 years, or republicans and Rush L. will pure hate Obama for 4 years.

You might be right, but what to do? If the divide were about slavery, do you just say 'well, the slave owners won't change their opinion, so let's just drop the issue'?

Why do you think we have a huge divide? I think it has a lot to do with the modern right wing's efforts to indocrintate as many Americans as they can. It's worked on millions.

You can read a fascinating history of the facts showing that's the case in the book 'The Right-Wing Noise Machine' byt David Brock, a former writer for it.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I admit my armor of certainty is cracking, but my worry is more grand than this election; I truly am worried more than previously I was worried about the future of the country as a whole and the competency of the voting populous. And no hyperbole on this, either. As misanthropic as I am, it does have limits and previously they told me that after 8 years of Bush people would be starving for the antithesis of this terrible rule. And yet here we are with two months left and the race is essentially in a dead heat.

Well said. I don't like Bush in the least, nor do I want to see more of the same, but the landscape has changed (democratic congress), and the reality is that the democrats did not present me with a realistic alternative. McCain is the better choice for the simple matter that a democratic congress with a republican president willing to veto spending bills is better for the country than a democratic congress with a democratic president who will have much pressure on him to not veto anything. Having a congress and white house in the same party hands is disastrous, as the Bush era should have taught us.

Republicans are not democrats, and having both in the same hands of Republicans is not the same as having both in the same hands as Democrats.

Yeah, because history has taught us over and over again that only one set of politicians lie and cheat, the other set are wonderful and can be trusted with full power. Oh wait, no it hasn't, it has taught us the opposite, that we should trust any set of politicians, they are all pretty much the same.

Don't equate them by listing it as same-party versus split-party - pay attention to WHICH party it is.

Surely you can't be that naive to think that the democrats somehow are any different or better? If so, you really need to back away from the kool-aid for a while.

We need an all-democrat government to clean up the problems.

Oh vey, they must have head a special on Kool-aid this week at Costco.

At the height of democratic power in the LBJ great society, it was the last time we balanced the budget until the late 1990's, while Reagan started huge deficits that Bush brought back after Clinton - and when the government went all-democrat under Clinton, it immediately started *reducing* the big Republican deficits.

Are you going to pay attention to the facts?

I really hope for your sake that you don't really have these simplistic views of the world, that you're just yanking everyone's chain or being sarcastic..... but something tells me that's not the case

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Why do you think we have a huge divide? I think it has a lot to do with the modern right wing's efforts to indocrintate as many Americans as they can. It's worked on millions.

It's both sides. I do believe that the republicans cling to meaningless demagogery more than the democrats, but probably not by a huge degree. They have done all they can, though, to turn it into an us vs them, using the same psychology people use to meaninglessly root for a particular sports team.

The way to change it is to have a complete overhaul on the culture. That won't happen, so it will not change. Politics in this country are stupid because the people are stupid. They lack critical thinking, they lack the self-esteems to admit when they're wrong and improve themselves through folly. How can we change that because it's a prerequisite to political evolution.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Craig234
Why do you think we have a huge divide? I think it has a lot to do with the modern right wing's efforts to indocrintate as many Americans as they can. It's worked on millions.

It's both sides. I do believe that the republicans cling to meaningless demagogery more than the democrats, but probably not by a huge degree. They have done all they can, though, to turn it into an us vs them, using the same psychology people use to meaninglessly root for a particular sports team.

The way to change it is to have a complete overhaul on the culture. That won't happen, so it will not change. Politics in this country are stupid because the people are stupid. They lack critical thinking, they lack the self-esteems to admit when they're wrong and improve themselves through folly. How can we change that because it's a prerequisite to political evolution.

Anyone who thinks it's just one side or the other is delusional. Both sides will say / do whatever it takes to "win", no matter what they claim.