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What legal case will be made to impeach Trump

omega3

omega3

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What do you all think will be the legal case made to impach Trump? I mean, even if Trump got help from Russia or did shady business deals and money laundering with Russia in the past - in itself perhaps illegal - that does not mean those are impeachable offenses.

So from a legal perspective, how do you think the case will be built against Trump?
 
omega3 said:
What do you all think will be the legal case made to impach Trump? I mean, even if Trump got help from Russia or did shady business deals and money laundering with Russia in the past - in itself perhaps illegal - that does not mean those are impeachable offenses.

So from a legal perspective, how do you think the case will be built against Trump?
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Something about the family business evading sanctions and Trump being the retard that he is put his signature on it.
 
J.Wilkins said:
Something about the family business evading sanctions and Trump being the retard that he is put his signature on it.
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Can you clarify those family business evading sanctions and how this is an impeachable offense. I wanna see Trump go down like most sane people but Mueller will need a strong legal case.
 
Catching him lying in front of a grand jury should suffice...that was enough for the House to impeach Bill Clinton.
 
omega3 said:
Can you clarify those family business evading sanctions and how this is an impeachable offense. I wanna see Trump go down like most sane people but Mueller will need a strong legal case.
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No, you were asking about a hypothetical, this is my hypothetical scenario.

If I had knowledge it would already have happened.
 
"Legal" and "Impeach" don't really line up from what I've read. Impeachment is a political process done by Congress; they don't need a legal decision to do it (iirc), but neither does any legal decision or decisions necessarily make it inevitable (again, iirc). For some it would come down to "Does Trump being in office constitute a danger to this country"....and for others (most I'd guess) it would be "Has Trump's approval rating now gone so low that I might lose my own job if I don't vote to get rid of him".
 
UNCjigga said:
Catching him lying in front of a grand jury should suffice...that was enough for the House to impeach Bill Clinton.
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True but he most likely won't testify to the grand jury pleading the fifth.

Aside from catching him lying, I'm wondering how financial streams between him and Russia could be used against him in the context of impeachment?
 
omega3 said:
True but he most likely won't testify to the grand jury pleading the fifth.

Aside from catching him lying, I'm wondering how finacial streams between him and Russia could be used against him in the context of impeachment
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I don't think the President can plead the fifth in such a case.
 
omega3 said:
Can you clarify those family business evading sanctions and how this is an impeachable offense. I wanna see Trump go down like most sane people but Mueller will need a strong legal case.
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There's a story that Trump committed criminal tax fraud in selling property to his sons. There is a maximum lifetime exemption for gift taxes and the portion below market value counts towards this. It seems that Trump has gone over that limit and then some. That's one possibility. Then Trump has investment difficulties. He cannot get credit from anyone other than a bank with close ties to the Russian state. Any improper business dealings with Russians could result in far more serious legal repercussions depending on particulars. Note that dealings aren't automatically criminal, but I qualified that with "improper".
 
Impeachment is a political process. "High crimes and misdemeanors" for purposes of impeachment are not criminal statutes, but whatever the House decides.
In any case, most likely obstruction of justice at this point, although I don't think Democrats want to impeach Trump. He is a gift that keeps on giving.
 
Legal case doesn't matter. It's a political process. If congress wants him gone they'll find a technicality. Clinton almost got impeached on technicality simply because republican party wanted him gone. It's all just a big show and we're nothing but little cogs with no say in the process.
 
Stokely said:
"Legal" and "Impeach" don't really line up from what I've read. Impeachment is a political process done by Congress; they don't need a legal decision to do it (iirc), but neither does any legal decision or decisions necessarily make it inevitable (again, iirc). For some it would come down to "Does Trump being in office constitute a danger to this country"....and for others (most I'd guess) it would be "Has Trump's approval rating now gone so low that I might lose my own job if I don't vote to get rid of him".
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Trump seriously fucked up by shaming sessions and firing priebus. Those guys presented the congressional south and midwest, plus everyone else priebus/rnc raised money for, and to survive impeachment you need friends in congress.

What'll probably end up happening when Trump sees he doesn't have the votes is he takes a backroom deal to resign in exchange for clemency for his family, then we get stuck with Pence.
 
senseamp said:
Impeachment is a political process. "High crimes and misdemeanors" for purposes of impeachment are not criminal statutes, but whatever the House decides.
In any case, most likely obstruction of justice at this point, although I don't think Democrats want to impeach Trump. He is a gift that keeps on giving.
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Speak for yourself.
 
agent00f said:
Trump seriously fucked up by shaming sessions and firing priebus. Those guys presented the congressional south and midwest, plus everyone else priebus/rnc raised money for, and to survive impeachment you need friends in congress.

What'll probably end up happening when Trump sees he doesn't have the votes is he takes a backroom deal to resign in exchange for clemency for his family, then we get stuck with Pence.
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He still has the power of pardon and while I do not believe it would be found applicable to himself he can protect his family.

I agree that Trump has burned too many bridges to be comfortable and that GOP support is not unconditional. That's not because they are principled but as you note they have a fallback in a less crazy Pence. That doesn't mean Pence is a good alternative, but he may be able to not spill the pot roast on his head on a near daily basis.
 
It is about the money, the guy has really begun sweating since Mueller entered his finances... So something about money laundering for one of Putins childhood friends..
 
hal2kilo said:
Speak for yourself.
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There is a sad logic to keeping Trump, one I cannot stomach. Consider what he has done for (not to) anti-Republicans such as us. The ACA which is better than the alternatives is still in place although there are problems with lack of proper government management, no rapey tax reform. The military isn't backing his transgender nonsense. Every single time the Republicans might get traction Trump does yet another incredibly stupid thing. He's providing the only counter to the Republicans. It ends in gridlock but without doubt there's worse. The Republicans might have had a productive session.

Ultimately the best we can hope for is to stalemate as long as possible. Who knows? There are signs that some Republicans and Democrats are at least thinking that cooperation might be better than constant stabbing in the back. The trouble there is leadership and the extremists, but it's more than we had.

I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would work. I believe that's the quote.
 
agent00f said:
What'll probably end up happening when Trump sees he doesn't have the votes is he takes a backroom deal to resign in exchange for clemency for his family, then we get stuck with Pence.
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I don't like the idea of Trump being able to get away with a backroom deal. Once he's a regular citizen again, can he still be sued by any future DOJ over things like money laundering which I think Mueller will unveil or can Congress give him and his family protection against anything?
 
It will be revealed that he is a botched clone of Stalin as part of a long abandoned Soviet program. Thus DT was never "born" and certainly not as a US Citizen.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
There is a sad logic to keeping Trump, one I cannot stomach. Consider what he has done for (not to) anti-Republicans such as us. The ACA which is better than the alternatives is still in place although there are problems with lack of proper government management, no rapey tax reform. The military isn't backing his transgender nonsense. Every single time the Republicans might get traction Trump does yet another incredibly stupid thing. He's providing the only counter to the Republicans. It ends in gridlock but without doubt there's worse. The Republicans might have had a productive session.

Ultimately the best we can hope for is to stalemate as long as possible. Who knows? There are signs that some Republicans and Democrats are at least thinking that cooperation might be better than constant stabbing in the back. The trouble there is leadership and the extremists, but it's more than we had.

I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would work. I believe that's the quote.
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While I can't stand Trump, I don't think it's correct to hold him responsible for Republicans not being capable of passing a new health care or tax reform bill. How is Trump holding back Republicans in that respect. Seems more like Republicans in congress fear retaliation of voters if they take away their ACA. How is that Trump's fault? The GOP has a majority to vote new bills if they want.
 
omega3 said:
While I can't stand Trump, I don't think it's correct to hold him responsible for Republicans not being capable of passing a new health care or tax reform bill. How is Trump holding back Republicans in that respect. Seems more like Republicans in congress fear retaliation of voters if they take away their ACA. How is that Trump's fault? The GOP has a majority to vote new bills if they want.
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Trump's been almost totally disengaged on the healthcare issue. When one of the bills was about to die in congress, he wasn't trying to get dissenters on his side, he was dining with supporters and bragging about his visit to France. The presidency has a lot of cultural clout, and a president who knew how to do things other than insult and threaten could've gotten the bill passed.
 
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