What kind of temps are you 2.4Cs getting?

Byte

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I got the 2.4C with an IC7G. Running a all Cu Zalman now and at 3GHz it goes to 55 idle, and near 70 at full. The fan is at full blast (its still damn quiet!) but i crash when it reaches 70. I'm thinking of getting an SLK800 or 900 with a faster 80mm.

I have another 2.4C which can't seem to do quiet as high o/c but i get very similar temps at stock (45 idle 55-60crunching).
 

vaporize

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isnt 55 too high for idle?

I want to buy a 2.6C and overclock to 3.0C but I want the temps to be around 35 with stock cooling. what are the temps without overclocking?
 

Lord Evermore

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This is weird. My roommate just bought a 2.4C and an IC7 and we're getting the same thing. 55 degrees or so idle, and with Prime95 or the ATI demos or nvidia Dawn, the temps jump up over 75 and set off the alarm. The system is perfectly stable, but 75C is a really high temperature whether the chip is designed to handle it or not. Overclocked to 3GHz, the temps hardly go up at all.

Another thread here I just read seems to indicate Abit boards may be expected to show such high temperatures and anything well under 135C is safe. Thats over the boiling point of water! We really could fry eggs on these.
 

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Lord Evermore: are you saying that both overclocked and nonoverclocked temps are about the same, 55 idle? Does the comp crash when it hits 75? I am worried about buying the abit board now since the temps seem way too high for intel chips.
 

Byte

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well i tried two 2.4C chips and get about the same temps. So i switched over to a GA8IPE1000 Pro, i like it a lot better. I still get similar idle temps though load temps seem slightly less.
 

vaporize

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can you explain why you like GA8IPE1000 Pro better than IC7. I am thinking of buying IC7. Whats dont you like about the IC7? thanks
 

RichCoulson

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My 2.4c runs at 35 idle and 50 creating mpegs. I am using the intel d875pbz motherboard. I am using a antec sonata case, which is a little cramped for a board this big. I also have a 10,000 rpm scsi drive, a 7200 rpm ide drive and an ati aiw 9700 which all put off a lot of heat. The case has a 120mm exhaust fan. I am thinking of a zalman heatsink for my ati aiw 9700 to reduce the noise.
 
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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
This is weird. My roommate just bought a 2.4C and an IC7 and we're getting the same thing. 55 degrees or so idle, and with Prime95 or the ATI demos or nvidia Dawn, the temps jump up over 75 and set off the alarm. The system is perfectly stable, but 75C is a really high temperature whether the chip is designed to handle it or not. Overclocked to 3GHz, the temps hardly go up at all.

Another thread here I just read seems to indicate Abit boards may be expected to show such high temperatures and anything well under 135C is safe. Thats over the boiling point of water! We really could fry eggs on these.

135 C?!?!?! i dont know about that, from what i know, abit boards report temps 8-10 degrees C higher than they should
 

Lord Evermore

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I checked the Abit forums, that is indeed their official response to the people asking about these high readings. This is the original thread here I saw it in: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=1059901&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

Here's Abit's: http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?s=4895d5830ca059f5333027d6f647cbbc&threadid=11496

It seems to apply to all Intel P4 chipsets on Abit boards, and seems to be due simply to the way Abit calculates the temperature reading. I haven't read that whole thread. It may be that all the other brands simply do calculations that are valid only on their boards, and can't be compared to others. We all know that temperature readings can vary widely by brand or model. In a way the readings can't be considered absolute temperature readings, but more like numbers relative to themselves -- the best idle temperature on an Abit Intel board is 50 or so, while the usual load temp is 75, and that's normal for their boards, while Asus may calculate it so that the temps are 35 idle, 50 load.

They may have realized people are used to seeing temps below 50 or even under 40 with their P3's and XP's, even after such extreme frequencies that we see now, so they just made the numbers come up in a way that people would recognize. Like, the chip diode may actually be sending a signal indicating the internal diode is at 75 degrees, but on an older board that didn't access an internal diode, the external measurement would have come up with something around 50 degrees, the best measurement possible externally -- the actual core was still 75 degrees, and that's why we worried when it reached 60 degrees because it might actually have been around 95 degrees in the actual core.

Abit therefore is reading the diode and outputting the actual core temperature, and you have to use the Intel specs to be sure it's within valid ranges, while other brands are outputting an "interpolated" or compensated reading comparable to previous motherboard sensor readings.

My roommate's board is indeed completely stable at 75C at 3GHz overclock (and the overclocking doesn't make the temperature much higher than the default speed of 2.4). We even got it running at 3.6GHz with the memory at 3:2, with a bit of voltage increase, but it wasn't stable in 3DMark still so we need to tweak more. When we first installed it I used the Intel black thermal pad, and decided to take it off to put Arctic Silver on (before I had found these are common temps). The thermal pad didn't seem to be making great contact; in spots it had been rubbed completely off the aluminum foil while in most spots it had just barely had the ridgy compound pressed flat, and yes the heatsink was well secured.

Since putting Arctic Silver 3 on, with the case closed up it only gets to 63C while running 3DMark2k1, and is entirely stable. It idles at about 50C. Yet another justification for Arctic Silver, it does make a difference in some cases.

It's very odd how Abit designed the BIOS settings for the thermal warnings and stuff. The thermal shutdown can only be set as high as 75C. But you can set the thermal alarm as high as 120C. So it's impossible to have the alarm go off above 75 and then have it shut off if it continues getting hotter, like when you're not on site.

Oh yeah, he has a 9800 Pro installed which is far hotter than what's coming off the CPU. It's kind of scary how small the heatsink on the 9800 is given how hot it really gets; it's too hot to touch for more than a second.

We also discovered that the BIOS version makes a big difference in overclocking ability. With the 1.0 version, we can overclock to whatever we want. With I think 1.1 and 1.3, the newest we could get, we can hardly get more than like a 210MHz bus. Any higher and the system was highly unstable and rebooted randomly.
 

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Originally posted by: RichCoulson
My 2.4c runs at 35 idle and 50 creating mpegs. I am using the intel d875pbz motherboard. I am using a antec sonata case, which is a little cramped for a board this big. I also have a 10,000 rpm scsi drive, a 7200 rpm ide drive and an ati aiw 9700 which all put off a lot of heat. The case has a 120mm exhaust fan. I am thinking of a zalman heatsink for my ati aiw 9700 to reduce the noise.

So how loud is this setup? I have ordered the sonota in hopes that it would be quiet.

 

RichCoulson

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The sonata is about the same noise level as my old enlight case, but is cooler by about 5 degrees celcius and has a bigger power supply. It is consideraby quieter than my other antec 835 case. I think the air vents in the top sides and the big 120mm exhast hole at the back of the case let out a lot of the noise. I guess it is all relative to what you are use to. It is a very well built and extreemly nice looking case, particullarly with the blue lights on the front. This case is a little cramped depending on the size of your motherboard. My intel d875 is a full sized board and extends almost all the way to the hard drive cage. I used a lot of zip ties to bundle wires together to help with the tight space and now the inside looks nice.
 

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The sonata is about the same noise level as my old enlight case, but is cooler by about 5 degrees celcius and has a bigger power supply. It is consideraby quieter than my other antec 835 case. I think the air vents in the top sides and the big 120mm exhast hole at the back of the case let out a lot of the noise. I guess it is all relative to what you are use to. It is a very well built and extreemly nice looking case, particullarly with the blue lights on the front. This case is a little cramped depending on the size of your motherboard. My intel d875 is a full sized board and extends almost all the way to the hard drive cage. I used a lot of zip ties to bundle wires together to help with the tight space and now the inside looks nice.

I am also thinking about getting a 2.4c and Sonata case and overclocking it, so I am seeing how well this case does in the cooling section. I have a few questions:

1. Are you overclocking your p4? if so how much?
2. Are you using an intake fan on the front?
 

RichCoulson

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No, I am not overclocking. I did put in an enermax 120mm adjustable fan and turned it down to about 1000rpm. I wanted to keep the noise down but still pull a little air over the hard drives. I have not noticed any difference in cooling with the extra fan, but the rpm is very low.
 

WarCon

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After muddling (best word to describe me in a technical document nowadays) through Intels data sheet it appears that a Tc (temperature measured from the center of the Heatspreader as measured from a external thermistor like one that is placed in a hole drilled through a heatsink) of 74C for a 2.4C processor is the max temp. What that relates to internal die temps they don't/won't say and I have no clue. I remember seeing people testing the thermal throttling in some of the older P4's (not sure what mobo's and yes that will matter as abit mobo's do measure higher than others) and they figured the throttling kicked in around 70-75C which may be as high as like 78-83C on an abit board (if thats not what they used).

But there is two internal diodes in a P4 and one of them's whole job is to shut down the processor if it hits 135C. This thermal protection has been around since PIII's. This is in event of a sudden thermal event like fan shutdown or heatsink popping off. The other diode is used for temperature sensing and thermal control (like throttling - varying cycle time) and for display. It outputs a voltage that a motherboard solution must interpret and obviously can be interpreted differently.

Personally I think operating temps of around 70C would be too much and I would be trying my best to get more cooler air to the processors heatsink and/or getting a better heatsink for my processor. But stability should be your deciding factor. If it can run Prime95 (6hrs or more) stable and can run 3Dmark looped for about the same amount of time and doesn't crash in your games or applications (at least hardware crashes as we can't always depend on Microsoft for stability.....:D) then you should be fine.
 

Lord Evermore

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WarCon: the problem with saying that, is that Abit says their reading of 70C is accurate and totally safe, implying that those boards giving readings of 35 or whatever at idle aren't accurate, or at least aren't being calculated the same way. So just because an Abit board says it's at 70C, doesn't mean that it's actually any hotter than it would be on another board. You just can't compare the numbers between Abit and other boards now it seems.

Even when loaded and reading 70C or higher, my roommate's machine is stable and the heatsink is cool to the touch (there's really not much chance of putting these things on unevently). So the Abit most likely is giving you their best calculation of the internal temperature, while other boards report the temperature as if it were read from an external probe.

As to the throttling temperature, that does have to be enabled in the motherboard BIOS. I don't want to try and read through Intel's documents, but if the CPU is only able to use the temperature sensing diode to send a voltage that the board has to calculate temperature from, I don't see how they could integrate a diode and controller that is able to determine when the chip is at a specific temperature. I'd also say that if that was 75C according to other boards, then the Abit is more likely to be reading somewhere closer to 100C than just 83 or so. Most people have idle temps of 35 or 40 from what I read, while Abit users are showing 50 and higher. If Abit is in fact giving a measurement that is closer to the actual core temperature, then when the CPU reached 100 degrees and throttling was enabled, the Abit would read 100 while others would read only 75 to 80, giving an inaccurate idea that the throttling kicks in at 75C while the shutdown occurs at 135. It would make more sense for throttling to occur at 100C, since at 75C is would only be a bit more than half of the "safe" operating according to Intel.
 

WarCon

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I just installed an Abit IC7 in a friends computer. He has good cooling in a large case (comparable to what I use). His temperatures were really similar to mine (in the same environment - my house). Both his and mine idle at around 36-38C and both hit full temps of around 50-55C. His processor is a 2.4b overclocked to 3.1ghz and mine is a 2.4b overclocked to 2.8ghz (not a good overclocker), my older 1.8b also ran in almost identical operating range on my Epox 4G4A+. I really don't know what this means, ( I always thought my Epox read a little high so that was why it was similar).

As far as there being a second thermal diode on die (just read the data sheets), there is one. But the other thermal diode outputs on the B3pin (anode) and the C4pin (cathode), so with the Rt (series resistance) as a known value and the socket and trace resistance as unknowns, this voltage is output to a circuit to be interpreted. Intel has shown a way using Rt with external cancelation circuitry to get more accurate temperature readings, but I don't know if Abit uses these and thats why they are different or not.

Anyway taking my friends computer as an example, maybe his chip runs cooler than either of mine did and thats why his reads similar, I don't know. So go figure. I read abit's response in "their" forum and take the little bit of real information they dispersed with a grain of salt. Until they release circuit drawings to prove they are somehow more accurate than other mobo manufacturers, I will take all temperature readings with a grain of salt.
 

Lord Evermore

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The most important thing of course is stability. :) Obviously if the usual 35 to 50 degree range is what we should expect, computers running at 75C and higher wouldn't be doing too well. This does make it harder to know how well the cooling solution is performing, whether the case layout is making it work less well or better than other people with the same type, et cetera, since the readings can't be compared.
 

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To those guys looking at the Sonata case. I'm running a 2.6c on an ASUS P4C800, stock cooling with just the one rear 120mm exhaust fan. Idle temps = 33, full load = 49. I have not started overclocking yet, but will probably this week. If you're curious about temps, let me know, and I'll post them. As far as sound, the case is much quieter than my Antec SX-830 with three 80mm case fans (not sure how the temps compare, tho), which was a pretty loud set up. With the Sonata case, I can hear the hard drive accessing (Maxtor DiamondMax 740 -- 1 year old, pretty quiet)...until the RPMs ramp up on the stock intel CPU fan, which is probably the loudest noisemaker in the whole rig.
 

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Originally posted by: Byte
well i tried two 2.4C chips and get about the same temps. So i switched over to a GA8IPE1000 Pro, i like it a lot better. I still get similar idle temps though load temps seem slightly less.


I just assembled an 8IPE1000 pro with a 2.6C proc (stock HS/fan).
Idle @ 200fsb = 24c
Idle @ 230fsb 3ghz = 25c

I am using an Antec SLK3700 w/120mm exhaust (no intake) and it moves a ton of air.




 

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HeatMiser if you wouldn't mind updating the thread with temps that would be cool. I'm ordering a Sonata with a P4P800, 2.4C, 512meg Corsair and wondering what temps I will get. I am going to be using an SLK-900U with a 92mm Panaflo L1A and have already bought 2 x 120mm Panaflo L1A's for the Sonata to replace the stock fan it comes with (and put one behind drive cage even though I doubt it will do much). Thanks.
 

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if you plan on OCING the SONATA is not a great option. It's airflow paths are rather restricted and there are not front fan options.
 

Byte

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My GA8IPE1000 Pro now seems to have gone down after 3 days. I guess it took that long for the arctic silver to harden? It used to get 55-70 now it gets 45-65. I'm going to try an Asus P4P800 next week. My 8IPE1000 is getting really really low CPU scores in sandra, also other synthetic benches are pretty damn low like super pi (it takes like 100seconds) DivX frames are only around 30. Its O/C too 3.00 and RAM is at 415@2.3.6.6. Memory bandwith is pretty high from benchies. Any other tweaks i should do to pump up the CPU?
 

HeatMiser

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Ok, I'll post some temps, and maybe other Sonata owners should as well (start a new thread?). With a few comparisons maybe we can figure out what the best cooling solutions are for this case. It'll be a couple more days at least, but I'll be back.

Byte - Do you have your case fan(s) attached to the "fan only" header off the PSU? I've heard of people seeing minor (3 degree) drops in CPU temps by attaching the case fan to the normal headers. Of course, it will be louder 'cause it will be full speed. Just curious if that does anything for you (I'll try it too when I'm home).

 

Lord Evermore

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I was using the Fan Only connectors on my True330 during the winter. The most recent really hot day (which then turned into several days of freezing my arse off; go global warming) my temps got worryingly higher so I switched to the regular power lines and temps did indeed drop 3 or 4 degrees. It also got terribly louder. So I switched that one out with a Panaflo and used the motherboard headers for it and get the same low temps. If your room is air conditioned most of the time then the temp-controlled power should be okay, otherwise get some quiet fans and use full speed.