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Question What kind of motherboards do you like?

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What is in my signature is all that I need. I gave my gaming monitor to my grandson as my oldest daughter bought me this Samsung 32" monitor.. It has been rock solid except the psu went out a week ago. I do not see myself building another computer for some years to come.
 
While I like my ASRock B550M-ITX/ac, the Intel 3168 WIFI+BT is garbage. I knew the wifi was slow and the range sucked even with the antennas. I don't use it so no problem. But the BT being flaky as hell grinds my gears because I use multiple BT devices.

It does not require a windows update for it to suddenly throw a failed to start error in device mangler. It will work for a few boots then fail again. Different driver versions, removing it and the drivers, including scouring the registry, do not help. Nor does disabling enabling or anything else like not letting windows turn it off to save power.

Want to know the fix? I leave it as is with the failed to start error and turn the PC off. Plug in a generic USB BT radio. Boot to desktop. Use the generic until it stops working. And it will stop working. When I check the mangler, the Intel is now fully functional and the USB BT has the error. 😵 I hardly use it now because it is the slowest of my 3. I'll swap in a better M.2 when I get around to it.
 
Don't know if I have a favorite. Currently have an MSI B850 Tomahawk WiFi Max waiting for parts and 2 Gigabyte boards in systems (B550 and 10th gen Intel Aorus Elite). I'm glad BIOS flashback seems to be standard now. I'd like to see 7 segment displays, something like the Asus Q connector, and some kind of EZ latch for GPU and M2 on boards that cost less than $300+.
 
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What about this one ?
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Watch all those usb ports be 2.0 and not 3.0. Even then id think you want 3.1 instead.
And even more off, watch you get scammed with all those ports sharing the bandwidth off a single controller.

As for me... i am never buying Gigabyte again... btw, my thing is still going.

Cant trust ASRock anymore not to kill your CPU's.

Asus, i probably will only get a ROG series, and it has to be brand new, sealed, and from a reputable vendor, so its not someone's return, but even then i'll cross my fingers i never need to RMA.

My next board i will probably get from MSI, if they have the features i want, as they are still BBB rated with a "C" Gigabyte is rated "F" BTW.

So yeah, looks like im joining @Markfw in his MSI party wagon next round if we can still afford PC's after the DRAM apocalypse that is to come.
 
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aigomorla said:
Cant trust ASRock anymore not to kill your CPU's
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AMD CPUs, Intel CPUs seem fine.
Curious thing is that AMD is replacing CPUs and Asrock is replacing boards (at least according to Reddit postings) and no one is pointing fingers.
Odd isn't it? Kinda like someone gave someone the wrong info and neither someone checked it 😱, so no one wants to blame the other guy 🙄
 
Micrornd said:
AMD CPUs, Intel CPUs seem fine.
Curious thing is that AMD is replacing CPUs and Asrock is replacing boards (at least according to Reddit postings) and no one is pointing fingers.
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That is not accurate. AMD blamed the board makers, especially ASRock. Meanwhile, ASRock shouldered the blame for their problems and stated it was not AMD's fault.

And replacing the CPUs and boards is how it is supposed to be handled. Unlike Raptor Lake, where Intel failed at every level and every opportunity.
 
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That is not accurate. AMD blamed the board makers, especially ASRock. Meanwhile, ASRock shouldered the blame for their problems and stated it was not AMD's fault.

And replacing the CPUs and boards is how it is supposed to be handled. Unlike Raptor Lake, where Intel failed at every level and every opportunity.
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Believe what you will, I do believe there is more to the story.
 
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And replacing the CPUs and boards is how it is supposed to be handled. Unlike Raptor Lake, where Intel failed at every level and every opportunity.
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The guy that was responsible for handling issues got fired wonder he was not fired sooner.
 
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Believe what you will, I do believe there is more to the story.
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It is not a matter of belief for me. It's what has been stated by the companies involved. Though it would certainly not surprise me if shenanigans are revealed later. We have plenty of precedent. But to date, the statements track with reports from users. ASRock has a disproportionate share of the failures. And again, they've stated the problem is on their end.

The total number of failures reported is well within industry standards. Amazon U.S. alone has sold at least 150K X3D CPUs in retail this year. We have what? Maybe 200 unique reports of failures? ASRock found PICNIC responsible for at least one. Debris in the socket. Also, there have been no troubling reports from enterprise or business customers, as there was with raptor.

If most the failures were not on ASRock, I'd contend users are burning them up overclocking. And lying about how it happened. My cynicism says it is responsible for some failures on the platform. And it's the first X3D gen to officially support it. But it seems logical we'd see a more even distribution of failures among board makers if that were the primary cause.

On topic: I just bought another Gigabyte board, it came with a 12600kf combo I bought from one of our esteemed members here. 😁
 
Are there any known issues with X3D chips on MSI boards that you are aware of?
 
DAPUNISHER said:
I guess boards just are not sexy anymore? Moving so much onto the CPU responsible? I remember when we would have huge threads about a single board or chipset. Intel, AMD, SiS, VIA, Nvidia, it was the wild west. So many brands - FIC, Abit, Asus, Albatron, Epox, Aopen, DFI, Chaintech, ECS, Shuttle, MSI, Soltek, SOYO, and more.

The IGP was on the board back then. Nforce chipsets were my jam. I built a bunch of systems with the Shuttle MN31N using the Nvidia nForce2 IGP + MCP-T (nForce2-GT)
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I think boards nowadays are more expensive and I'm getting less for my money. Then there is the unease that things might break which has delayed purchases; issues like cpu's degrading or even burning up because of crappy default settings, usb problem with am4 which dragged on for years.

I've thought about getting a budget-mid-range Asrock in the next upgrade because they seem to have longer bios update support. Not sure about their VRMs though.
 
I have concluded I will avoid ASRock for a good while. My B650e became flaky, and required a bios update to resolve. As I detailed in another post above, cheaping out on wifi and BT on the board I bought, is thoroughly uninspiring. There was also the Steel Legend B450 developing cold boot issues for the member I sold it to. Also does not help there is a disproportionate number of X3D failures being reported, involving ASRock boards.

Gigabyte and Asus have been nuke proof for me for decades now. The MSI 970 Gaming was a crap product for me, both burning up the way they did. Also the only board of my own, I have needed to RMA in the last 20 years. Making my personal rankings for the 2010s on -

Gigabyte and Asus sharing the top spot
MSI
ASRock

I think it is where DIY is now. Not a ASRock board in the top 20 https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-Motherboards/zgbs/pc/1048424
 
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