The question is, how close is the mall to the docks? Or, was the silkworm missile changed to a land to land missile. That can also be done.
The Silkworm is Chinese made and there are different variations of them.
The question is, how close is the mall to the docks? Or, was the silkworm missile changed to a land to land missile. That can also be done.
The Silkworm is Chinese made and there are different variations of them.
I guess I was wrong, it's china made, I think iraq fired a few of them at our ships in the gulf war but they missed.
then again I am getting Old and my memory has slipped
then again I am getting Old and my memory has slipped
To my knowledge, just because the Silkworm is a land to ship or ship to ship misslie does not mean it has to be fired at a ship you know. The reason they used the silkworm and likely also the reason it was not caught by the Patriot missile batteries is the fact that is flies extremely low like the Tomahawk's we have...actually a bit lower, and it likely avoided the radar. It also was supposedly fired from Southern Iraq which means the Patriot batteries might not have caught it because it was fired very close and because it flew very low.
The reason they used the silkworm and likely also the reason it was not caught by the Patriot missile batteries is the fact that is flies extremely low like the Tomahawk's we have...actually a bit lower, and it likely avoided the radar. It also was supposedly fired from Southern Iraq which means the Patriot batteries might not have caught it because it was fired very close and because it flew very low.the mall is right on the docks. the entrance is probably 100ft away, the pier had wooden boards missing. either they're trying to avoid the missiles getting hit, since it's low and apparently not detected by patriots, or they're targeting ships and defective, heh. CNN was reporting that aegis cruisers have been detecting the previous missile launches, I would think an aegis would be able to detect low flying cruise missiles as well.
Coaliton forces. Iraq doesn't have suitable missiles for that type attack. Remember Baghdad marketplace attack. War is dirty and this is evil propaganda what they are broadcasting.
I don't think it can detect it when the missle is still overland and flying that low, all those obsticles in the way of the radar, hence when it reaches open ocean then theres not much to cover it, though I could be wrong!
didn't Iraq hit one of ships with a silkworm in the middle 80's? by mistake they claimed when they were fighting Iran?
boy I am getting old, unsure about anything anymore
boy I am getting old, unsure about anything anymore
Ok now guys...you do realize that just because it is a shore to ship or a ship to ship misslie it doesn't have to be fired at a ship or near water right? It can be used to attack anything on land or sea.
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Ok now guys...you do realize that just because it is a shore to ship or a ship to ship misslie it doesn't have to be fired at a ship or near water right? It can be used to attack anything on land or sea.
fas.org
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The second pathway to acquiring land-attack cruise missiles derives from the conversion of existing anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs) or UAVs into land-attack cruise missiles. While UAVs for reconnaissance are fairly widespread and provide useful building blocks for land-attack systems, more ubiquitous ASCMs, of which there is a worldwide inventory today of roughly 75,000, furnish a more likely basis for conversion. Of the world's inventory only a portion are appropriate candidates for conversion, if ranges greater than 300 km are desired. This is because modern ASCMs are densely packed with electronics and software and frequently are propelled by ramjet engines, all of which leaves little room for changing engines, adding fuel, or rearranging avionics. More appropriate candidates are larger and simpler ASCMs like the Russian Styx and its Chinese derivatives in the Silkworm family. Like the Scud family of ballistic missiles, the Silkworm family has proliferated globally and several recipients are reportedly working on extending the range of their existing models.
To transform larger ASCMs like Silkworm would entail structural modifications (e.g., producing simple partitions between internal compartments and riveting simply shaped aluminum plates to increase the missile length slightly) and the replacement of the original autopilot and avionics with a combined satellite navigation receiver and inertial measurement unit. The most direct route to transforming an ASCM into a much longer-range land-attack missile (500 to 700 km) would be to use the Chinese turbojet powered HY-4 Silkworm , which China currently offers for export. Earlier Silkworm versions, the widely proliferated HY-1 and HY-2, could also be converted, but their liquid-fueled engines would have to be replaced with a suitable turbojet engine like the one in China's HY-4 ASCM. There are other unrestricted turbojet engines available from Canadian, European, Japanese, and US manufacturers of civilian and military aircraft.
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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Ok now guys...you do realize that just because it is a shore to ship or a ship to ship misslie it doesn't have to be fired at a ship or near water right? It can be used to attack anything on land or sea.
Some Military Analyst on NPR was talking about how Iraq may not have been able to buy new weapons but that they are crafty enough to improve the ones they had already.
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Ok now guys...you do realize that just because it is a shore to ship or a ship to ship misslie it doesn't have to be fired at a ship or near water right? It can be used to attack anything on land or sea.
fas.org
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The second pathway to acquiring land-attack cruise missiles derives from the conversion of existing anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs) or UAVs into land-attack cruise missiles. While UAVs for reconnaissance are fairly widespread and provide useful building blocks for land-attack systems, more ubiquitous ASCMs, of which there is a worldwide inventory today of roughly 75,000, furnish a more likely basis for conversion. Of the world's inventory only a portion are appropriate candidates for conversion, if ranges greater than 300 km are desired. This is because modern ASCMs are densely packed with electronics and software and frequently are propelled by ramjet engines, all of which leaves little room for changing engines, adding fuel, or rearranging avionics. More appropriate candidates are larger and simpler ASCMs like the Russian Styx and its Chinese derivatives in the Silkworm family. Like the Scud family of ballistic missiles, the Silkworm family has proliferated globally and several recipients are reportedly working on extending the range of their existing models.
To transform larger ASCMs like Silkworm would entail structural modifications (e.g., producing simple partitions between internal compartments and riveting simply shaped aluminum plates to increase the missile length slightly) and the replacement of the original autopilot and avionics with a combined satellite navigation receiver and inertial measurement unit. The most direct route to transforming an ASCM into a much longer-range land-attack missile (500 to 700 km) would be to use the Chinese turbojet powered HY-4 Silkworm , which China currently offers for export. Earlier Silkworm versions, the widely proliferated HY-1 and HY-2, could also be converted, but their liquid-fueled engines would have to be replaced with a suitable turbojet engine like the one in China's HY-4 ASCM. There are other unrestricted turbojet engines available from Canadian, European, Japanese, and US manufacturers of civilian and military aircraft.
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Thanks, but I don't think that really is applicable to this situation. What does conversion have to do with anything? If they just blind fired it from right over the border, it wouldn't need to have been converted for extra range. My point was that any missile can be fired anywhere regardless of it's type. It likely will not be accurate, and not effective on a large scale, but I think the Iraqi's just want to hit anything in Kuwait, and blind firing the missile into Kuwait would accomplish this. Iraq has already fired two Silkworms at Kuwait prior to this and they wer taken out by the Patriot missile batteries.
It wasn't? That was what they were reporting the last I checked. Iraq has already shot two silkworms at Kuwait since the war began, both of which were shot down by Patriots..
I think I know everything? I was just going by what the last news was I heard....it was reported to be a silkworm missile, and it was also reported that if it was indeed a silkworm, it would be the third one used by Iraq. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but at least show me I'm wrong instead of calling me a know it all....because I am far from it.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Hey, at least you didn't go ballistic on me
What you say?!?!?! You are F'in DEAD!!! :|:|:|
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: dahunan
Hey, at least you didn't go ballistic on me
What you say?!?!?! You are F'in DEAD!!! :|:|:|
OK.. I am holding up a white flag :Q
What did you say? You're French?
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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: dahunan
Hey, at least you didn't go ballistic on me
What you say?!?!?! You are F'in DEAD!!! :|:|:|
OK.. I am holding up a white flag :Q
What did you say? You're French?
Actually, I was gonna shoot him as soon as he thought I was really surrendering.. I know it was really despicable.. but.. he made me do it.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: dahunan
Hey, at least you didn't go ballistic on me
What you say?!?!?! You are F'in DEAD!!! :|:|:|
OK.. I am holding up a white flag :Q
What did you say? You're French?
Actually, I was gonna shoot him as soon as he thought I was really surrendering.. I know it was really despicable.. but.. he made me do it.
Ah, so now you are Iraqi... gotcha
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