I've tried to keep quiet, but the jobs you can get are endless. So let's dissect a business degree and compare/constrast the real world vs. the technical world.
1) The business of business is to make money. OK, now we've got the obvious out of the way.
2) What does it take to make more money? Communication skills, sales, consensus building, relationship management, basic accounting, people/soft skills, etc, blah, blah, blah what every technical person hates.
3) These basic skills of business can be transported across any industry, any position.
Technical degree
1) For the most part single skill, that's all you got, pigeon holed
2) Lack of training, education and experience to understand relationship management = no upward mobility
3) Well, that spells death
1) The business of business is to make money. OK, now we've got the obvious out of the way.
2) What does it take to make more money? Communication skills, sales, consensus building, relationship management, basic accounting, people/soft skills, etc, blah, blah, blah what every technical person hates.
3) These basic skills of business can be transported across any industry, any position.
Technical degree
1) For the most part single skill, that's all you got, pigeon holed
2) Lack of training, education and experience to understand relationship management = no upward mobility
3) Well, that spells death
Depends on the school is the credited answer.
Anything from investment banking and management consulting (probably the most coveted mainstream jobs for any knowledgeable college student) down to managing a department at a big box store. It all depends on the school.
Anything from investment banking and management consulting (probably the most coveted mainstream jobs for any knowledgeable college student) down to managing a department at a big box store. It all depends on the school.
zinfamous
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get a degree in which you learn something? There's no entry-level position that a business degree will place you as more qualified than any other degree.
at least with math, science (phys, chem, bio, engineering, etc), philosophy, lit, you would (hopefully) be able to count, read, and critically analyze text.
business degrees won't train you to do that.
at least with math, science (phys, chem, bio, engineering, etc), philosophy, lit, you would (hopefully) be able to count, read, and critically analyze text.
business degrees won't train you to do that.
You can get whatever job you want, as long as you work for it.
Spend more time developing relationships than skills, you'll be better off.
Spend more time developing relationships than skills, you'll be better off.
ConstipatedVigilante
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Deeko
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I don't know why people think you don't learn in business classes. I was a CS major, business minor. Yes, the business classes were easy as hell. However, I learned a TON of great information in those classes. I probably learned more USEFUL information in my 2 business law classes than I did in 90% of my CS classes combined. To actually get ahead in the CS world, I was much better off getting good internships, which is where I learned my CS skills.
Ummmm, pretty much exactly what I wrote right above you? Accounting, finance, marketing, management, etc.
Random example 1
Random example 2
SlickSnake
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prism
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As has already been stated in this thread, most of the readers here have technical-oriented degrees, and for one reason or another don't like business-types.
Evident obviously has no idea what he's talking about; business degrees will usually start you off at lower-salary jobs than jobs requiring engineering or heavy computer skills, but you will have MUCH more upward and lateral mobility than these other positions. An inherent disadvantage with technical degrees is that you're learning how to do one thing and do it well, much like a blue-collar job, only using your mind more than your body. Business degrees teach you how to become an effective leader, while learning valuable management and operation skills at the same time. I think the real reason so many posters here are bad-mouthing business degrees is because they don't understand why someone who doesn't have superb Visual Basic skills manages to be higher up on the corporate ladder than them
I'm a business major and getting an Information Systems certificate at my University, and while this is admittedly stereotyping, nearly all of the CS and IS majors I have classes with tend to have poor hygiene and even poorer social skills.
P.S.: ric1287, MrCodeDude is referring to the grammatical error in the OP's first post.
Evident obviously has no idea what he's talking about; business degrees will usually start you off at lower-salary jobs than jobs requiring engineering or heavy computer skills, but you will have MUCH more upward and lateral mobility than these other positions. An inherent disadvantage with technical degrees is that you're learning how to do one thing and do it well, much like a blue-collar job, only using your mind more than your body. Business degrees teach you how to become an effective leader, while learning valuable management and operation skills at the same time. I think the real reason so many posters here are bad-mouthing business degrees is because they don't understand why someone who doesn't have superb Visual Basic skills manages to be higher up on the corporate ladder than them
I'm a business major and getting an Information Systems certificate at my University, and while this is admittedly stereotyping, nearly all of the CS and IS majors I have classes with tend to have poor hygiene and even poorer social skills.
P.S.: ric1287, MrCodeDude is referring to the grammatical error in the OP's first post.
SlickSnake
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Let's debate this like gentleman.
Two men enter - and one man looks to the past while the other man ponders the future.
This may take a while. Let me grab my lawn chair. Scratch that, let me grab my cot.
polarmystery
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Every one of my friends that have business degree's make at least $5k more than I do salary, and I am an electrical engineer if that says anything.
Svnla
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Let see, BusinessWeek just did an article about top places to start your career right after college:
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/i..._launch_2008/index.asp
Look at the top 10, what were the top/desireable majors? (70% were in business/managment). Top 50 = only 16 were Engineer/CS....and so on.
Do a google search of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and what do you see? Business or business related majors are the majority.
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/i..._launch_2008/index.asp
Look at the top 10, what were the top/desireable majors? (70% were in business/managment). Top 50 = only 16 were Engineer/CS....and so on.
Do a google search of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and what do you see? Business or business related majors are the majority.
That's bullshit. I work with several guys who are in i-banking without a top10 undergrad, or an MBA.
Do a search, the whole "should I major in X" thread has been beaten to death on here. They all quickly devolve into "my major could kick your major's dad's ass" type comments.
Gibson486
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Ignore them. A good portion of this board is full of tech people who think they are above everyone because they have some sort of science or tech degree. Finance and Accounting degrees (just a BA) can lead to killer money. Last I heard...CPAs do not need a masters degree and even non CPA's can make a good amount provided they do not get stuck at some tech company. Marketing degrees (although you will start dirt low) will lead to alot of money if you are really good at it.
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