What is your solution to the gun debate in America

[monovillage]

People should watch or rewatch Bowling for Columbine. Especially the part comparing the US and Canada gun violence.
What struck me was the line, "if more guns was the answer, America would already be the safest place on the earth".
So why aren't we? Huh? Why?

Who wants to be the safest place on earth? Go to Disneyland if that's what you want. I'd rather be free.

and FFS, Fat ass Moore bowling for dollars?

 

[Agent11]

If you look at the statistics it is hard to argue that the US is overly dangerous. We have areas that have problems, but nationally things aren't very bad at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Notice a trend in rape statistics for countries that have gun bans?

Who knew so many Swedes were rapists? Well over double the US rate.

Then there is homicide rate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

[themusgrat]

I know I'm late to the party, but I don't think there's any 1 answer. I do believe that something has to be done on the gun front. I love my guns, but when some idiot is mowing down children in classrooms, something must be done. I don't think there are any laws, and certainly no proposed laws, that would have kept guns out of that guy's hands. Parents very rarely succeed in hiding cookie jars. We have 88 guns per 100 humans in this nation, and if someone wants a gun, they're simply going to get it.

Still, I think what we could do, rather than banning guns, is implement a nation wide hunter safety (or maybe just a general gun safety) course required for all semi-automatic weapons and all rifles, or anything with a stock. We don't need the government to track it, we don't need oversight, what we need to do is first, force people new to buying guns to learn about them before they buy them. We cannot truly prevent all gun violence unless we take away all guns, but what we can do is raise people's awareness on the value of life, and maybe cut down on accidental deaths, or crimes of passion.

My second thought is education. I wrote this up a few minutes ago, I'll just copypasta it here.

I think the answer is education. Educated people aren't caught up in gun violence near as much as those who aren't. They simply know better, they know the purpose of civilization, they know their place in society, and they know the value of life. We cut education year by year it seems. While we're bent upon running record deficits, we can barely scratch together 2% of our budget for education. One guy above said that spending .1% of our budget on protecting our children was "infeasible." Our children are our future. And we shouldn't just draw the line at protecting them either. Let's up the spending on education to 3%. Maybe even 4%. Dare I say 5%????

We need to spend much more time bettering ourselves. We can't do much for the people who are already solidified in their ways, I mean we can take away their guns. But what's next, knife violence? Brass knuckle violence? Boxing glove violence? We going to start banning fist violence?

People violence is the problem. What we can do about it is pay much more attention to giving our kids the tools they need to succeed in life. What we can do is provide teachers with job security, so they don't come to teach impressionable 10 year olds every day with a bad attitude because they know in a month they're getting fired for some kid straight out of college that doesn't have to be paid as much. What we can do, is care about our kids.

Alot of you are quibbling over .1% of the federal budget to make sure kids are never mowed down. Really? I'm sure you're the same people who don't support the arts, and froth at the mouth at the idea of the United States spending money on higher education. Not only MUST we protect our children, but we MUST show them that we care. That the government, the teachers, the parents, all of us. We care about them succeeding in life. We care about getting them the right teachers. We care about them learning about music. We care about them learning about art and literature.

We must care about our children learning to better themselves. People violence is the problem, and the only way to get rid of it is to change the people. We must.

 

[randomrogue]

If you look at the statistics it is hard to argue that the US is overly dangerous. We have areas that have problems, but nationally things aren't very bad at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Notice a trend in rape statistics for countries that have gun bans?

Who knew so many Swedes were rapists? Well over double the US rate.

Then there is homicide rate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The reason that Sweden has so many rapists is because it's in their culture to report rape while in other countries people live with shame and don't report it.

 

[irishScott]

Ronald Reagan supported the 1994 AWB

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ays-obama-the-potentially-surprising-details/

HAHAHAHAHA this. Politicians are not Gods. I think Reagan was a great President, but I also think he got that one wrong.

Arguments like "hey look, one of your heroes agrees with me!" typically only come from those blind enough to worship politicians in the first place. I bet you'd suck Bill Clinton better than Monica.

 

[irishScott]

The reason that Sweden has so many rapists is because it's in their culture to report rape while in other countries people live with shame and don't report it.

Perhaps, but I'd need to see a study to believe that it has a significant impact on reported rapes vs the US. I can't think of a single woman who wouldn't call the cops after being raped. She may not tell her family, but she'll tell the cops.

 

[randomrogue]

Perhaps, but I'd need to see a study to believe that it has a significant impact on reported rapes vs the US. I can't think of a single woman who wouldn't call the cops after being raped. She may not tell her family, but she'll tell the cops.

I'm not an expert so I don't know how to prove it to you. I happened to hear a radio show about this though since obviously those rape statistics weren't telling the full story so they dug deeper. There's a cultural difference. Going to the police is the norm. Also in Sweden they basically count all instances as a separate crime. So if you rape a woman in Sweden 50 times that's 50 cases of rape. Not one like in the USA.

You gotta be real careful. If you look at statistics and don't think about them you can come up with all kinds of crazy conclusions. For example the kidnapping capital of the world is Canada. Now of course it's not but it is because they count custody disputes as kidnapping.

Same thing applies to the gun debate. Looking at gun deaths and including suicides is not a good argument. That's a bad use of statistics.

 

[Lithium381]

What is the standard issue arm of the US ARMY? Just make whatever they use the standard capacity. . . 30rd for rifles and 15? for handguns. If it's good enough for our boys on the ground in combat, it's good enough for us. . . .as the militia right? Works for the Swiss right? Except we'll pay for our own and not be given firearms by the govt.

Close the borders and legalize MJ would be excellent steps as well.

 

[exdeath]

People should watch or rewatch Bowling for Columbine. Especially the part comparing the US and Canada gun violence.
What struck me was the line, "if more guns was the answer, America would already be the safest place on the earth".
So why aren't we? Huh? Why?

Why is watching extremist propaganda a good idea?

 

[TallBill]

People should watch or rewatch Bowling for Columbine. Especially the part comparing the US and Canada gun violence.
What struck me was the line, "if more guns was the answer, America would already be the safest place on the earth".
So why aren't we? Huh? Why?

Bowling for columbine is filled with a shitload of lies.

Canada is nothing like the US, population density is like 9 times higher here, they have hardly any big cities compared to us. Crime is highly concentrated in urban centers.