What Is Your Political Tilt?

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm an extreme middle.

I'm such a joke.

Ayup.

You are more of a joke than ntdz is...

Quit trolling.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: Engineer
Political Tilt?

Fvck Bush!

:thumbsup:

Extreme left for me.

Not Bush covers a considerable amount of the "right wing", just because those righties didn't vote Kerry doesn't prove anything.

 

[miketheidiot]

i don't fit very nicely into molds, if i had to identify with anyone in this thread, I would have to choose Stunt as the closest, although not a perfect fit.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

with the democrats pushing for fiscal responsibility and smaller governemt, and the republicans trying to expand government powers and spending like a crackhead with a stolen credit card, i'm not sure i know which ways up anymore.

 

[raildogg]

Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

 

[Hacp]

left.

 

[Strk]

Usually around the middle on most issues.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

Because nationalism is the root of most evils...therefore you are an extremist and will never relate to people.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

Because nationalism is the root of most evils...therefore you are an extremist and will never relate to people.

Hooray for throwing a word like "extremist" simply because a person loves his country. I relate to people, but people on my side are the people I sometimes disagree the most with. I talk about politics and current events a lot with my friends and there is nothing but disagreement on certain issues. They are supposedly liberals too. We agree on almost everything except foreign policy and our role in international affairs.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

Because nationalism is the root of most evils...therefore you are an extremist and will never relate to people.

Hooray for throwing a word like "extremist" simply because a person loves his country. I relate to people, but people on my side are the people I sometimes disagree the most with. I talk about politics and current events a lot with my friends and there is nothing but disagreement on certain issues. They are supposedly liberals too. We agree on almost everything except foreign policy and our role in international affairs.

If you don't relate to people...sorry to say...you are indeed an extremist.

If you are liberal on everything except foreign policy, what do you see as america's role in the business of other countries...just for curiousity sake.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

Because nationalism is the root of most evils...therefore you are an extremist and will never relate to people.

Hooray for throwing a word like "extremist" simply because a person loves his country. I relate to people, but people on my side are the people I sometimes disagree the most with. I talk about politics and current events a lot with my friends and there is nothing but disagreement on certain issues. They are supposedly liberals too. We agree on almost everything except foreign policy and our role in international affairs.

If you don't relate to people...sorry to say...you are indeed an extremist.

If you are liberal on everything except foreign policy, what do you see as america's role in the business of other countries...just for curiousity sake.

Ok ... ... I just said I do relate to people. Disagreeing with somebody doesn't make you an extremist. People probably think I was for the Iraq war, but they are wrong. I was against the war but I do support us being there now to fix the problem that we made worse. I don't want to interfere in any country's business unless it is absolutely necessary. We should have taken action against Afghanistan in the 90s. That is one case where I support use of force.

 

[Stunt]

So what topics do you tend to disagree wiht your liberal friends on?

And no you didn't say you related to people you said: "I haven't met a person like me yet."

You are my direct polar opposite...where i am conservative you are liberal, where i am liberal, you are conservative...that sir is why we are abrasive...I think you are what is wrong with america...I'm sure the feeling is mutual

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Stunt
So what topics do you tend to disagree wiht your liberal friends on?

And no you didn't say you related to people you said: "I haven't met a person like me yet."

You are my direct polar opposite...where i am conservative you are liberal, where i am liberal, you are conservative...that sir is why we are abrasive...I think you are what is wrong with america...I'm sure the feeling is mutual

Have you met a person like you yet? I'm sure many have not. Actually, what is interesting is that you do not know where I stand on certain issues. Yes, I tend to disagree on foreign policy and how we should deal with people wanting to harm us. The topic of gay marriage doesn't come up since we are not gay and could care less about what people do in their bedrooms. Let them marry and be happy . I'm not sure if all our opinions and viewpoints can be considered liberal and/or conservative. Lets leave a little room in the middle. Not everything has to be black and white (I can't believe I'm saying this ).

And the feeling isn't mutual since I think one needs to learn a few things before you can totally understand where the other person is coming from.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

(I'm "pro-American" too, but not in the same sense you're using it, I suspect. I assume you mean it in the sense that America has a right to unilaterally project its will on the rest of the world, including militarily in some cases. Is that fairly close?)

If so, as I understand it, that means you fit the original definition of "neo-conservative" (not to be confused with the BushCo neo-faux-conservatives who currently abuse the term). Anyone with a better handle on ideology labels want to confirm or set me straight?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

(I'm "pro-American" too, but not in the same sense you're using it, I suspect. I assume you mean it in the sense that America has a right to unilaterally project its will on the rest of the world, including militarily in some cases. Is that fairly close?)

If so, as I understand it, that means you fit the original definition of "neo-conservative" (not to be confused with the BushCo neo-faux-conservatives who currently abuse the term). Anyone with a better handle on ideology labels want to confirm or set me straight?

Here we go again on labels. Good liberals should not put labels on people without understanding where that person is coming from. If you read a few posts below that one I state that I do not agree with certains wars and I did not mention anything about America having a right to unilaterally projecting its power on the world. But yeah, I'm a "neo-con" :lips:. Ask the others what better label can they come up with and lets try to use that on each person here. I'm sure that would bring the level of conversation up a few levels.

 

[Taggart]

I dislike Republicans

I HATE Democrats

Basically I do whatever it takes to keep those leftist Democrats out of office. If that means voting GOP, so be it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

(I'm "pro-American" too, but not in the same sense you're using it, I suspect. I assume you mean it in the sense that America has a right to unilaterally project its will on the rest of the world, including militarily in some cases. Is that fairly close?)

If so, as I understand it, that means you fit the original definition of "neo-conservative" (not to be confused with the BushCo neo-faux-conservatives who currently abuse the term). Anyone with a better handle on ideology labels want to confirm or set me straight?

Here we go again on labels. Good liberals should not put labels on people without understanding where that person is coming from. If you read a few posts below that one I state that I do not agree with certains wars and I did not mention anything about America having a right to unilaterally projecting its power on the world. But yeah, I'm a "neo-con" :lips:. Ask the others what better label can they come up with and lets try to use that on each person here. I'm sure that would bring the level of conversation up a few levels.

A mite touchy, are we? I was NOT attempting to label you in a negative way. You said you'd never met anyone like you. I was simply trying to point out that you seem to roughly fit those who were the original "neo-conservatives". I also made a point of differentiating between the original neo-conservatives and today's scoundrels who have co-opted the neo-con label.

Edit: and I also invited you to correct my assumption about your use of "pro-American".

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pro-American liberal. I haven't met a person like me yet.

(I'm "pro-American" too, but not in the same sense you're using it, I suspect. I assume you mean it in the sense that America has a right to unilaterally project its will on the rest of the world, including militarily in some cases. Is that fairly close?)

If so, as I understand it, that means you fit the original definition of "neo-conservative" (not to be confused with the BushCo neo-faux-conservatives who currently abuse the term). Anyone with a better handle on ideology labels want to confirm or set me straight?

Here we go again on labels. Good liberals should not put labels on people without understanding where that person is coming from. If you read a few posts below that one I state that I do not agree with certains wars and I did not mention anything about America having a right to unilaterally projecting its power on the world. But yeah, I'm a "neo-con" :lips:. Ask the others what better label can they come up with and lets try to use that on each person here. I'm sure that would bring the level of conversation up a few levels.

A mite touchy, are we? I was NOT attempting to label you in a negative way. You said you'd never met anyone like you. I was simply trying to point out that you seem to roughly fit those who were the original "neo-conservatives". I also made a point of differentiating between the original neo-conservatives and today's scoundrels who have co-opted the neo-con label.

Otay. No big deal . Original "neo-conservatives"? I'm sorry for not knowing the exact definition of them.

I would define a pro-American liberal or leftist as a person who thinks of America's interests rather than the interests of the international community. Or thinks of America's interests first and the world's interests second. I know we live in the world, but we also compete with the world. We compete with them for everything we have. Another thing is that we necessarily don't have to ask the UN for permission for a military strike if it is absolutely necessary. Iraq was not absolutely necessary, but Afghanistan was a different matter.

As for the domestic agenda, I side with the left on most issues. From climate change to economic reform, I disagree with the Rethuglicans. I can't say that this is true for all issues, but generally speaking, it is. I think the left is in danger however. We should try to defend our base from the radical leftists who are increasingly gaining power.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Taggart
I dislike Republicans

I HATE Democrats

Basically I do whatever it takes to keep those leftist Democrats out of office. If that means voting GOP, so be it.

Why?

 

[TheSlamma]

Far right makes me wish I was born 50 years from now after they destroy 3/4 of the world with their zealot mythology freak show known as Christianity.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Far right makes me wish I was born 50 years from now after they destroy 3/4 of the world with their zealot mythology freak show known as Christianity.

I find it very funny that you specifically mention Christianity. Keep going on, I want to hear more. :laugh:

 

[Stunt]

Raildogg...dig up stupid

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Otay. No big deal . Original "neo-conservatives"? I'm sorry for not knowing the exact definition of them.

I would define a pro-American liberal or leftist as a person who thinks of America's interests rather than the interests of the international community. Or thinks of America's interests first and the world's interests second. I know we live in the world, but we also compete with the world. We compete with them for everything we have. Another thing is that we necessarily don't have to ask the UN for permission for a military strike if it is absolutely necessary. Iraq was not absolutely necessary, but Afghanistan was a different matter.

As for the domestic agenda, I side with the left on most issues. From climate change to economic reform, I disagree with the Rethuglicans. I can't say that this is true for all issues, but generally speaking, it is. I think the left is in danger however. We should try to defend our base from the radical leftists who are increasingly gaining power.

:beer:

Here are a couple of snippets from Wikipedia:

Neoconservatism refers to the political movement, ideology, and public policy goals of "new conservatives" in the United States, who are mainly characterized by their relatively interventionist and hawkish views on foreign policy, and their lack of support for the "small government" principles and restrictions on social spending, when compared with other American conservatives such as traditional or paleoconservatives.

The prefix "neo" can denote that many of the movement's founders, originally liberals, Democrats or from socialist backgrounds, were new to conservatism, but can also refer to the comparatively recent emergence of this "new wave" of conservative thought, which coalesced in the early 1970s from a variety of intellectual roots in the decades following World War II as well as the integration of Southern Democrats into the Republican Party in the 1960s and 1970s as a reaction to the Civil Rights movement. It also serves to distinguish the ideology from the viewpoints of "old" or traditional American conservatism.

The meaning of the term has changed over time. It was possibly first used circa 1970 by socialist author and activist Michael Harrington to characterize former leftists who had moved significantly to the right ? people he derided as "socialists for Nixon." The "neoconservatives" thus described in this original sense tended to remain supporters of the welfare state, but had distinguished themselves from others on the left by allying with the Nixon administration over foreign policy, especially in their anti-communism, their support for the Vietnam War, and strident opposition to the Soviet Union.

This support for the welfare state is not implied by the contemporary use of the term, which primarily suggests support for an aggressive worldwide foreign policy, especially one supportive of unilateralism and less concerned with international consensus through organizations such as the United Nations.

Note that this is the first time I've ever looked up the term, so I am NOT trying to suggest all aspects of this apply to you.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
I'm an extreme middle.

I'm such a joke.

Ayup.

I'm more of a joke than ntdz is...

I should quit trolling.

Ayup.

 

[Stunt]

Conjur...You think i troll?!...interesting, get someone to back you up on that and i'll agree