How about protecting teachers who send sexual emails to their students? Good luck getting them fired in NY. See video in my sig.
How about protecting teachers who send sexual emails to their students? Good luck getting them fired in NY. See video in my sig.
if someone is capable and willing to work for minimum wage to do your job, then obviously your job is not very difficult. that basically becomes the going rate for your position. it's capitalism, supply and demand.
if a lot more workers are capable of doing what you do, the supply has gone up, so wages will come down.
at that point, if you don't like your wage, go do something else.
if you can't make the wage you desire, go back to school and get a degree.
if you can't afford to because of tuition, or you have to provide for your family, then tough luck. that's the cards you were dealt in the game of life. life isn't always fair.
$28/hr is absurd for screwing some bolts onto panels and frames. half the time they aren't even doing shit and still getting paid because of the absurd contracts the unions have "negotiated" (more like they'll threaten to sue and strike if they don't increase their hourly rate).
if we eliminated unions, i can guarantee the wages of auto workers will come down.
CEO's get paid that much for a reason. if we could all do it, why aren't we all CEO's?
guaranteed minimum wages? don't we have something like that already? $7.25/hour or something like that?
So, should we just move to a Socialist economy or just skip straight ahead to full blown communism? I mean, it's worked out so well for Russia and China, right?
Your post is a joke. It's gotta be... right?
First off... if my boss wants to replace me with two Mexicans that will work for half as much then that's fine. It's his right to do so. I have NO right to tell my company who how or what to spend their money on. They earned their money, it's their money to spend. To say otherwise would imply that I shouldn't have the right to spend my money how I want to, either. I want a new TV? Screw that. My neighbor thinks I should buy a buy a new lawnmower so he can borrow it instead. Oh well! I'm not allowed to decide who how and what my money is spent on, right?
$28/hr is measly pennies? Are you fucking kidding me? If you wanna pay me $58k per year in "measly pennies" I'd be happy to agree with you, but if YOU don't wanna throw that money around then why would anyone else, including a company, want to do the same? (Unless of course you actually realize that it's merely 5.8 MILLION pennies... [approx. 20 dump trucks full.]) I'm getting by just fine on much less than 58k per year. Fuck you if think people with no college education who do unskilled labor all day should be making a considerable amount more than me just because they are part of a group that will strong arm their employers into doing it. If EVERYONE makes at least 40k then you've just fucked the entire economy. Now, not only do burger flippers and grocery store stockers make 40k, but the burger joint and grocery stores have to compensate for this by raising prices. Now 40k doesn't go as far as you think, eh?
Universal Salary Cap? Oh man, that's just stupid. The CEOs that make shit tons of money get paid big because their ass is on the line if the company takes a dip in sales. If the person getting their hands dirty screws up some parts on a few thousand cars and sends them off without telling anyone, then they gotta do a recall, the CEO comes under fire while the Unionized worker can't be touched. Shit may roll downhill, but it starts at the top. CEOs have the connections to make business deals happen and open new doors for the company. The average line worker has slightly above the the adult version of the ability to avoid putting the square block in the triangle shaped hole. I recognize that there are some blue collar workers that are well above average in terms of what they do and what they get done, and they should get paid according to their skill... not how long they can put up with the same company's bull crap.
I know I'm not exactly on par with the economy and how things work, but you clearly don't understand jack shit about it and make me look like a dammed genius.
Deeko
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I am in no way a supporter of unions, but I am amazed at how little people know about teachers and how some people think they make too MUCH money. For example, you say in your post that they don't work 40 hour weeks. That's BS alone. Teachers are in the classroom 8 hours a day, and then spend nights/weekends grading things and coming up with lesson plans. They're also REQUIRED to take grad school classes, paid for by themselves on their already low salary. It isn't some nice, easy dream job like some people seem to think.
The problem with the teachers union is it doesn't do a good enough job distinguishng good teachers from bad....but that's somewhat the problem with ALL unions.
most of what you say is true and i agree, esp the bold parts.
but they only work 9 months a year, get all the holidays that the students get, but put up with a lot of BS from the kids and other politics.
if you prorate their salary, i think they're salary is on par. again, if they don't like it, there's other professions out there.
Svnla
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As a former worker at a large GM facility for several years <not a few months or a year>, I saw it all, the good, bad, and ugly of union <UAW> and its members.
For about 90% of the jobs, if you can read and follow instructions, you can do the job. Exceptions are electricians, trademen, bodyworks.
BTW, if you don't join the UAW, your name will be in the back page of its monthly newsletter of that plant.
From my own personal experience and poin of view, unions "were" good back then but now it is like a dinosaur. If you have the drive/ambitious/dedication, you don't need any union to move ahead.
Ask the GM employees that were or about to get laid off, how they feel about union now.
For about 90% of the jobs, if you can read and follow instructions, you can do the job. Exceptions are electricians, trademen, bodyworks.
BTW, if you don't join the UAW, your name will be in the back page of its monthly newsletter of that plant.
From my own personal experience and poin of view, unions "were" good back then but now it is like a dinosaur. If you have the drive/ambitious/dedication, you don't need any union to move ahead.
Ask the GM employees that were or about to get laid off, how they feel about union now.
Cogman
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Really? Teachers here are in class from 8-3, last I checked that wasn't 8 hours (And yes, they get a 1 hour lunch break with the students). 2 hours to correct papers is often more then enough, especially considering that they don't have assignment due every single day.
You claim they spend their long nights making lesson plans, No, not really. Maybe a brand new teacher would, but after 2-3 years most teachers just teach the exact same things they taught in years past.
Seriously, very few teachers have assignments due every single day, even math teachers will often do assignments every other day. The teachers that do do assignments every day usually give very short assignments (2-4 questions).
As for the recertification they have to go through, that isn't every year, more like once every 10 years.
Edit: The teachers who try to engage students like this or all teachers?
Edit for clarification on response.
I agree, they have outlived their usefullness, but in only some cases.
I know of a lady that worked for a major hotel chain for 28 years. She and her whole department just got fired. The hotel chain has outsourced their jobs to another company along with a slew of other departments. They were planning on unionizing but did not do it quick enough. They avoided giving her any retirement benefits and she is well over 50 years old.
The teachers that involve students in stuff like this are who I am talking about.
let someone send those to your children and see how you feel about them, do I really want to go out an shoot the idiots, no, but come on something needs to be done that will stop it. And unstable off the msgboard, more so why?
Deeko
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When I was in high school, SCHOOL hours were 7:30-2:30. So the teachers were there a minimum of 7-3, lunch break certainly was not an hour, and most teachers spent it doing work anyway. So that's at least 8 hours/day in the classroom, not to mention the amount of time out of class, which you are grossly underestimating. Recertification can vary from state to state, I'm pretty sure it's more frequent than that here, but you can't just ignore the significant time/money that's put into that.
Plus, all that aside, you scoff at them making an average of 47k (with starting salaries in the low-mid 30's)....dude. That's not a lot of money, you know that right?
sactoking
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Unions served a purpose when the dissemination of news information was slow, mainly through the printed press. At that time, employers could use unfair labor practices and it would be days or weeks before anyone was made aware of it. The only front-line against them was the employees mobilizing in force and walking off the job. They did it for their protection and for the consumers' protection.
In the days of mass media and instantaneous communication, they have no purpose. Any TRUE misdealing of consequence is regionally, nationally, or globally known within SECONDS. Consumers no longer need the protection of unions, we can make much better informed decisions. Workers no longer need the protection of unions, as more and more unskilled jobs leave the country.
In a skilled service economy (which we are/are becoming) collective bargaining is counterproductive, elevating people based on longevity and hindering truly outstanding young talent.
In the days of mass media and instantaneous communication, they have no purpose. Any TRUE misdealing of consequence is regionally, nationally, or globally known within SECONDS. Consumers no longer need the protection of unions, we can make much better informed decisions. Workers no longer need the protection of unions, as more and more unskilled jobs leave the country.
In a skilled service economy (which we are/are becoming) collective bargaining is counterproductive, elevating people based on longevity and hindering truly outstanding young talent.
Cogman
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As I said before, thats 47k for 9 months plus TONS of vacation time in-between. If they worked the entire year it would be 62k Add in the vacation time, health benefits, dental, ect.. that apply instantly and you are looking at some pretty large salaries.
The lunch break, at least in my school, was certainly an hour long. I guess I should be taking a step back though. I grew up in a very small town where class sizes rarely went over 11 students. From my POV those teachers, while very good, where getting overpaid.
Nitemare
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That sucks, but for everyone of those, there are 10 of these...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/...-9999-1b26grocery.html
for those that would like to make a career out of bagging groceries
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19774635/
or $39.50 an hour as a secretary/clerk
All-in pay for teachers is very high. They have sweet benefits and pensions. Plus many teachers are only teaching a few periods.
Capt Caveman
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Add in all of the hours of grading papers, meeting with parents, etc. after school hours. Most teachers put in 12 months of hours in 9 months.
My friend is an English teacher. Weekly, she's grading and writing comments on 120 papers which take her 10-15 minutes each. You do the math.
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